Homesuck: Vriska Rising

[POS Industries]

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

POS, is it really a "Vriska Hate Par8de™" if it's just, like, one person? :P

You are the Grand Marshal of an endless procession of magenta unhappiness, filled with pony marching bands, Kanaya floats, and one big, lonely balloon.

I half expect to see Santa Claus riding in at the very end of your posts, delivering thousand-page tomes on why Vriska sucks to all the boys and girls in attendance.

EDIT: But all kidding aside, yeah, I think we could all probably stand to quit bitching for a bit. Myself very notably included, of course.

[Solid Snake]

Oh c'mon POS, that's a little harsh. I don't make it personal about hating you just because you appear to think Vriska's all that and a bag of skittles.

Originally Posted by Karesh

See that's not really what I was going for either.
It would have been ten kinds of awkward if you had been like "hah yeah that is Vriska alright total Mary sue" and I would have had to say "Wait what no"

How would that have been awkward?
You think she's not a Mary Sue, I think she is a Mary Sue, so...what's the big deal?

Anyway, responding briefly to the whole undercurrent of "Why keep pestering us with complaints about Vriska at all, you could just leave us alone," or whatever, I guess the difficulty from my personal perspective is that I happen to love pretty much every Homestuck character that isn't Vriska.

I mean I'd be totally okay with just exiting this thread and deleting MSPA from my bookmarks and never speaking of it again if I actually personally hated it. But I don't hate it, and I'm actually deeply invested in John, Rose, Karkat, Dave, Jade, Terezi, Kanaya, Aradia, Sollux, etc.

If you basically think about it all from my perspective the real frustrating element isn't so much that 'Vriska sucks' in and of itself, but moreso that Vriska's so dominated the storyline as of late that most of those other characters I've just mentioned haven't even been seen. And they're pretty damn important characters. When my frustrations lead to attacks on Vriska it isn't even hating on Homestuck itself so much as it's loving every interaction with Dave and Jade and Aradia and Sollux and other characters who have just plain been missing while Andrew's made it his mission to spend much of the past several months building up to a series of Vriska-centric anticliamxes and basically reorienting Homestuck itself to follow much of her perspective.

You'll notice I actually was a huge fan of the last major endeavor that didn't involve Vriska, the John and Rose gameplay sequence from...how many weeks ago was it?

[Specterbane]

Damnit, why am I dragging myself into this...

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

Admittingly, part of the reason why the repetition happens is the nature of MSPA's serial updates. If MSPA was a finished product like a Metal Gear videogame or a television episode, you'd probably only have to endure my criticism in one giant wall of text, and the experience wouldn't feel repetitive.

Snake, have you considered it may not be what specifically you're saying/trying to say that bothers people, but how and how often you say it? The biggest complaint I can see is that people are tired of reading your walls of pink text about how you don't like her every time Vriska comes up.

Also...

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

However, expecting me to wait until after Homestuck is over to criticize Vriska or Andrew's writing generally seems a bit harsh if you're simultaneously comfortable with the thought of everyone praising Homestuck or commenting positively on its newest developments on a daily basis. In other words, either there should be a blanket ban on everyone commenting on Homestuck until it's finished, or you'll have to deal with the daily criticism as well as the day praise.

I didn't see that at all anywhere, now I may have missed it. But if I didn't and it isn't there, it's rude to put words in people's mouths.

But all that aside, what are people's ideas on Matchsticks? Was he really dead? Is the Wiki right that he is just transported from some place in time? Does he come from a doomed universe? Is this a dream bubble.
Also, Snake I get the the pink text is a joke and that's cool and all. But damn do my eyes hurt every time I read your posts

[Marc v4.0]

Really don't think she qualifies as a Mary Sue, or ever has. I can't see her as a Mary Sue due to the lack of a sense of wish-fufilment on our or Hussies part and her feats and exploits are no more spectacular then anyone elses in the story, just of a more fanciful variety. She doesn't really seem like a self-insertion or that she is getting any unfair screen time, she is a character that is clearly filling a specific role to a specific end, and it doesn't seem revelant or fruitful to argue the specific label until her part of the story has reached end and can be accuratly judged for what it is or isn't.

[POS Industries]

Originally Posted by Marc v1.0

Really don't think she qualifies as a Mary Sue, or ever has. I can't see her as a Mary Sue due to the lack of a sense of wish-fufilment on our or Hussies part and her feats and exploits are no more spectacular then anyone elses in the story, just of a more fanciful variety. She doesn't really seem like a self-insertion or that she is getting any unfair screen time, she is a character that is clearly filling a specific role to a specific end, and it doesn't seem revelant or fruitful to argue the specific label until her part of the story has reached end and can be accuratly judged for what it is or isn't.

This. Technically, if anyone's the Mary Sue, it's Dave. At least from a thinly-veiled self-insertion standpoint, anyway.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

If you basically think about it all from my perspective the real frustrating element isn't so much that 'Vriska sucks' in and of itself, but moreso that Vriska's so dominated the storyline as of late that most of those other characters I've just mentioned haven't even been seen. And they're pretty damn important characters. When my frustrations lead to attacks on Vriska it isn't even hating on Homestuck itself so much as it's loving every interaction with Dave and Jade and Aradia and Sollux and other characters who have just plain been missing while Andrew's made it his mission to spend much of the past several months building up to a series of Vriska-centric anticliamxes and basically reorienting Homestuck itself to follow much of her perspective.

You'll notice I actually was a huge fan of the last major endeavor that didn't involve Vriska, the John and Rose gameplay sequence from...how many weeks ago was it?

I see her current center stage role more as just an effect of how the story goes. We see different characters perspectives for long periods, or short periods. It's just Vriskas turn for the time being.
Also part of the reason I don't understand the Mary Sue thing is that within the story there's maybe 2 people that actually think of her as a friend at this point, and one of them is a derp half the time.

And rather than vilifying those that don't like her they're all pretty explicitely stated to be absolutely correct in their distrust or dislike. In total contrast to a Mary Sue's ability to be liked no matter what they do, the opposite is almost true. Kanaya was for a time considered something of a sucker because she kept on thinking well of Vriska despite all the contradictory evidence, and John is so trusting you could tell him to go put a universe destroying bomb in his pocket and he totally would without even questio OH WAIT

[Solid Snake]

Originally Posted by Specterbane

Snake, have you considered it may not be what specifically you're saying/trying to say that bothers people, but how and how often you say it? The biggest complaint I can see is that people are tired of reading your walls of pink text about how you don't like her every time Vriska comes up.

Each and every one of my "horrible pink walls of text" that you hate so much because you apparently think I'm Satan incarnate or something is really nothing more than an expression that I was aggravated with the latest update and wanted to share my thoughts with someone else who might theoretically agree or disagree and want to chat about it. I like debating people, I like expressing my opinions and I like instigating discussion. That being said, if you find my style of writing grating or my perspective annoying, I don't see what the big issue with skipping every tidbit of magenta text you find.

I really don't see what the big deal is with just expecting you to ignore what I say (if you don't want to respond it or if you find my arguments unpersuasive) rather than actually personally insulting me over it.

Ironically, if everyone just collectively ignored Snake every time he made a point, you'd have accomplished your apparent goal of making me disappear much quicker, if that's what you really wanted. I'm not going to waste time typing walls of text if I feel I have no audience. By contrast, if you defend Vriska I often may not interpret that as a sign that my argumentative style is ignoring you, but rather that you appreciate my argumentative style, merely disagree on the merits, and were looking forward to debate the actual merits of, for example, Vriska as a character. Alternatively, if you actually offend me point blank for 'daring to criticize' or something, I mean, I don't know how you'd expect me respond but I'm certainly not going to respond well to that, I don't think any of us would.

(RE: the colors I've been trying to claim magenta as my default for a while, now. If Synk can claim blue and Mauve can claim mauve and Blues can be blue and Seil can basically type in his...lighter pink color...I don't see anything inherently wrong with that.)

[POS Industries]

[Solid Snake]

Hey, there wasn't any thousand-page tome at the end of my last rant there. It wasn't even about Vriska. :P

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

Alternatively, if you actually offend me point blank for 'daring to criticize' or something, I mean, I don't know how you'd expect me respond but I'm certainly not going to respond well to that, I don't think any of us would.

I don't think anyone has come anywhere close to saying something like this at any point.