Filler? I don't even know 'er! aka the fuck-Bleach [SPOILERS] megathread! - Page 75

Kim · 07-25-2010, 02:42 AM

Bleach's logic could go fuck itself the moment that they were all fighting over something that could Deus Ex Machina if you wanted it hard enough.

Lithp · 07-25-2010, 07:15 AM

It can't do anything the host* can't already do. At least, that's what I got from that whole "guiding light" thing.

*=I'm not sure what other term to use for someone whose wish the Hougyokou is granting.

Kim · 07-25-2010, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Lithp

It can't do anything the host* can't already do. At least, that's what I got from that whole "guiding light" thing.

*=I'm not sure what other term to use for someone whose wish the Hougyokou is granting.

So Chad always had hollow arms, Orihime always had time powers, and Aizen was always a hollow?

Aerozord · 07-25-2010, 01:27 PM

no I see where he is coming from, but thats just an in-universe limiter saying it isn't all powerful.

However what Aizen, or whoever, is capable of is a matter of Kubo's whims. For all we know in Bleach all soul reapers have the potential to turn into godzilla, and dont think thats out of nowhere either. Already got one that turns into a cat so no like shape-shifting is outside their perview

Lithp · 07-25-2010, 08:45 PM

I'll grant you that, Aerozord. As for Orihime's & Chad's powers, the original explanation was that Ichigo's Reitsu had awakened latent spiritual abilities in them. So it's not as though not having the Hougyokou will fix that for you.

As for Aizen, I maintain that the Hougyokou is doing what we originally thought it did there: Breaking down the boundaries between Hollow & Soul Reaper.

Although I also meant that, at least so far, we haven't seen the Hougyokou do shit without raw material to work with. It's not like Ichigo said, "I want to win!" and Kenpachi spontaneously combusted. HE still had to fight & defeat Kenpachi with his OWN power. It didn't even have the decency to yank it all out & turn it into a laser to vaporize Kenpachi with.

TL;DR: The Hougyokou has limits. But I think we're agreed that what those limits are is kinda vague.

Wigmund · 07-25-2010, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Lithp

As for Aizen, I maintain that the Hougyokou is doing what we originally thought it did there: Breaking down the boundaries between Hollow & Soul Reaper.

Then it's revealed that Aizen is actually from Hell or is something else besides Hollow/Reaper/Human. This will probably be about the time Ichigo pops in at a dramatic moment to fight him and we get another 3-4 chapters of Aizen revealing plans for the plans of the plans of the planners who planned plans against his previous plans...bluh bluh plot shit...and further revelations on Aizen's grand scheme where he's come from Hell to level the playing field or some shit and what better way than dicking with everyone else.

Meanwhile Gin keeps standing around being a smug shit.

Fifthfiend · 07-25-2010, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Lithp

I'm not misusing this term. At all.

Lithp, I love you.

Lithp · 07-25-2010, 11:06 PM

Cute .gif. Now what's this all about?

Fifthfiend · 07-26-2010, 08:01 AM

The best, Lithp, you're the best.

Less obliquely, you're using a concept that cautions against making new assumptions, but dead characters not being dead isn't a new assumption, it's the existing, standard operating assumption for everything involving Bleach. A new assumption would be what you're arguing; that popular hero characters who currently appear to be dead are in fact dead. Dead characters in Bleach (who aren't mooks) are always alive, therefore Occam's Razor says that dead characters in Bleach will continue to be alive.

Putting it another way, other people are saying that Tite Kubo is going to continue to write stories the way Tite Kubo writes stories, on the basis that this is how Tite Kubo writes stories. You're the one introducing the new assumption that Tite Kubo will stop writing stories the way Tite Kubo writes stories and begin writing them an entirely different way. You're using Occam's Razor to argue that the sun is going to stop coming up in the morning, on the basis that we can't assume the sun will keep coming up just because it's consistently done so for hundreds of millions of years.

Grimpond · 07-26-2010, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Fifthfiend

The best, Lithp, you're the best.

Less obliquely, you're using a concept that cautions against making new assumptions, but dead characters not being dead isn't a new assumption, it's the existing, standard operating assumption for everything involving Bleach. A new assumption would be what you're arguing; that popular hero characters who currently appear to be dead are in fact dead. Dead characters in Bleach (who aren't mooks) are always alive, therefore Occam's Razor says that dead characters in Bleach will continue to be alive.

Putting it another way, other people are saying that Tite Kubo is going to continue to write stories the way Tite Kubo writes stories, on the basis that this is how Tite Kubo writes stories. You're the one introducing the new assumption that Tite Kubo will stop writing stories the way Tite Kubo writes stories and begin writing them an entirely different way. You're using Occam's Razor to argue that the sun is going to stop coming up in the morning, on the basis that we can't assume the sun will keep coming up just because it's consistently done so for hundreds of millions of years.

07-25-2010, 02:42 AM	#741
Kim adorable Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 12,950	Bleach's logic could go fuck itself the moment that they were all fighting over something that could Deus Ex Machina if you wanted it hard enough. __________________ this post is about how to successfully H the Kimmy

07-25-2010, 07:15 AM	#742
Lithp Boo Buddy Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 400	It can't do anything the host* can't already do. At least, that's what I got from that whole "guiding light" thing. *=I'm not sure what other term to use for someone whose wish the Hougyokou is granting. __________________ Great site, especially for RPers: http://degosroleplaying.aceboard.com/ (As you can see, the key to advertisement is subtlety.)

07-25-2010, 01:27 PM	#744
Aerozord So we are clear Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Former murder capital of the world Posts: 13,824	no I see where he is coming from, but thats just an in-universe limiter saying it isn't all powerful. However what Aizen, or whoever, is capable of is a matter of Kubo's whims. For all we know in Bleach all soul reapers have the potential to turn into godzilla, and dont think thats out of nowhere either. Already got one that turns into a cat so no like shape-shifting is outside their perview __________________ "don't hate me for being a heterosexual white guy disparaging slacktivism, hate me for all those murders I've done."

07-25-2010, 08:45 PM	#745
Lithp Boo Buddy Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 400	I'll grant you that, Aerozord. As for Orihime's & Chad's powers, the original explanation was that Ichigo's Reitsu had awakened latent spiritual abilities in them. So it's not as though not having the Hougyokou will fix that for you. As for Aizen, I maintain that the Hougyokou is doing what we originally thought it did there: Breaking down the boundaries between Hollow & Soul Reaper. Although I also meant that, at least so far, we haven't seen the Hougyokou do shit without raw material to work with. It's not like Ichigo said, "I want to win!" and Kenpachi spontaneously combusted. HE still had to fight & defeat Kenpachi with his OWN power. It didn't even have the decency to yank it all out & turn it into a laser to vaporize Kenpachi with. TL;DR: The Hougyokou has limits. But I think we're agreed that what those limits are is kinda vague. __________________ Great site, especially for RPers: http://degosroleplaying.aceboard.com/ (As you can see, the key to advertisement is subtlety.)

07-25-2010, 11:06 PM	#748
Lithp Boo Buddy Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 400	Cute .gif. Now what's this all about? __________________ Great site, especially for RPers: http://degosroleplaying.aceboard.com/ (As you can see, the key to advertisement is subtlety.)

07-26-2010, 08:01 AM	#749
Fifthfiend for all seasons Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 19,409	The best, Lithp, you're the best. Less obliquely, you're using a concept that cautions against making new assumptions, but dead characters not being dead isn't a new assumption, it's the existing, standard operating assumption for everything involving Bleach. A new assumption would be what you're arguing; that popular hero characters who currently appear to be dead are in fact dead. Dead characters in Bleach (who aren't mooks) are always alive, therefore Occam's Razor says that dead characters in Bleach will continue to be alive. Putting it another way, other people are saying that Tite Kubo is going to continue to write stories the way Tite Kubo writes stories, on the basis that this is how Tite Kubo writes stories. You're the one introducing the new assumption that Tite Kubo will stop writing stories the way Tite Kubo writes stories and begin writing them an entirely different way. You're using Occam's Razor to argue that the sun is going to stop coming up in the morning, on the basis that we can't assume the sun will keep coming up just because it's consistently done so for hundreds of millions of years. __________________ check out my buttspresso Last edited by Fifthfiend; 07-26-2010 at 08:20 AM.