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Unread 01-19-2008, 01:49 AM   #71
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(Sigh. Between Mesden's cleavage-jigging and winking and POS' jewelry flashing I'm seriously starting to wonder if the Judge is going to have any brain power left to render a verdict.)
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Here is POS Industry's unquestionable attempt of seduction towards me, in a picture undocumented by any others.

(Eeeuuugh! No wonder he wears so much jewelry! He's overcompensating!)

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Unread 01-19-2008, 12:38 PM   #72
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W-wow! That is... well...


Phoenix, you may cross examine the witness.

Mesden's Testimonies added to court record.



"Sexy Times" Photograph added to Court Record.

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Unread 01-19-2008, 04:25 PM   #73
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((OOC: I played the game again early today. I'ma altering the colors to more closely reflect the unspoken words.))

(Why hello there bouncy.

I can't believe I'm not on POS's favorite person list. What an ass. I-I mean, that picture, I should look, for the sake of the Court Record...

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Oh god, WHY DID I LOOK? I'll never be able to look my client in the face -- or man-nipples for that matter -- again!))

Er, that is, thank you Your Honor.

Quite frankly, Your Honor, the witness' testimonies seem to do little to nothing to discredit my client from being a moderator. Now if my client had offered to show us more of how, er, "fine" he is, I might have to change my stance, but for the time being, I fail to see how any of this discredits my client for the job directly.

The portion of your testimony which pertains to his laxness over time: It, too, is only natural. The position of Moderator could almost be named Janitor, as they mainly maintain post count and the primay rules: Quite rarely do moderators, other than Fifthfiend, actually go about banning people at all, and I believe that, except in major rules infractions, he takes it up with Administrators before anyone gets banned.

As for threads such as my client's "favorite people post," the moderators are just like us in the idea that they post normal things. The difference is, rarely do people just walk up in, for example, Fifthfiend's Chrono Trigger threads and outright insult it without any actual reasoning. That's because we all respect him enough to rant about it without resorting to calling it a big fat meaniebutt, and that we are graced with more intelligence than most communities. Which, since I myself have only played 2 minutes of emulated Chrono Trigger, cannot attest to it being. However, I shall get off this tangent and get to my point:

The job of moderator is not the same as a job of GMing a forum game. You are by no means supposed to actually like it, but if my client merely enjoys the way things end rather than how they go in the middle, then I see no reason why this presented testimony is of any harm to our goal.

As to your reasoning that his inactivity in what bouts which happened, I ask that you look at it again yourself, witness. My client, on page 6 (or 3 if you're like me and read in increments of 20) merely said he could not update due to his needing to work and lack of creative energy. Moderation requires little to no creativity, merely the locking of a thread and a short, 1 post reason such as "Post limit; take it into another thread" or "It's getting downright spammy now and as such it's closing: Make a less spammy thread" or even "Heated debate is closing in on becoming flaming rather than debating, so I'll close it for now." And trust me, I came up with those reasons while not really feeling like doing this. And by no means must my client be the only one to go about locking, there are other moderators out there. So his inactivity would not be an issue except in the cases where his inactivity overlaps witin every other moderator and administrator's inactivity on the entire board. In which case, even if he weren't a moderator nothing could be done.

I'm thirsty, I'm going to break out my coffee.

The defense rests, for now.
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Unread 01-19-2008, 06:57 PM   #74
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Quite frankly, Your Honor, the witness' testimonies seem to do little to nothing to discredit my client from being a moderator. Now if my client had offered to show us more of how, er, "fine" he is, I might have to change my stance, but for the time being, I fail to see how any of this discredits my client for the job directly.


You're completely evading the point of the picture and my testimony, sir. I suggest you reevaluate your argument.

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The portion of your testimony which pertains to his laxness over time: It, too, is only natural. The position of Moderator could almost be named Janitor, as they mainly maintain post count and the primay rules: Quite rarely do moderators, other than Fifthfiend, actually go about banning people at all, and I believe that, except in major rules infractions, he takes it up with Administrators before anyone gets banned.
What? Most of Fifthfiend's bans are on the spot and only in extreme situations do the moderators have a council on whether or not to ban a member. Not to mention other responsibilities, such as answering people's questions, managing every thread on the forum, and handling inter-member problems -- all things that take place in an RP, but on a lesser and shorter lasting scale.

It's not just laxness over time, but the extreme rate of which it happens to POS Industries. Ignoring my individual points and making a sweeping statement against my arguments adds nothing to your position.


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As for threads such as my client's "favorite people post," the moderators are just like us in the idea that they post normal things. The difference is, rarely do people just walk up in, for example, Fifthfiend's Chrono Trigger threads and outright insult it without any actual reasoning. That's because we all respect him enough to rant about it without resorting to calling it a big fat meaniebutt, and that we are graced with more intelligence than most communities. Which, since I myself have only played 2 minutes of emulated Chrono Trigger, cannot attest to it being. However, I shall get off this tangent and get to my point:
Wait wait wait, the fact that the moderators post normal things has nothing to do with the information derived from the situation. You're avoiding the point again!

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The job of moderator is not the same as a job of GMing a forum game. You are by no means supposed to actually like it, but if my client merely enjoys the way things end rather than how they go in the middle, then I see no reason why this presented testimony is of any harm to our goal.
What? It was your witnesses, too, who used his GM qualities as a pro for his eligibility. Both are similar and in every way demonstrate a person's responsibility. Now you're just contradicting your own, previous points.

It's called a precedent, Mr. Wright. You should learn about it. Hmph.

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As to your reasoning that his inactivity in what bouts which happened, I ask that you look at it again yourself, witness. My client, on page 6 (or 3 if you're like me and read in increments of 20) merely said he could not update due to his needing to work and lack of creative energy. Moderation requires little to no creativity, merely the locking of a thread and a short, 1 post reason such as "Post limit; take it into another thread" or "It's getting downright spammy now and as such it's closing: Make a less spammy thread" or even "Heated debate is closing in on becoming flaming rather than debating, so I'll close it for now." And trust me, I came up with those reasons while not really feeling like doing this. And by no means must my client be the only one to go about locking, there are other moderators out there. So his inactivity would not be an issue except in the cases where his inactivity overlaps witin every other moderator and administrator's inactivity on the entire board. In which case, even if he weren't a moderator nothing could be done.
Creative energy is just mental endurance -- he was just exhausted. Fifthfiend's been exhausted with the forum, as well, but still kept up his job.

And how could inactivity not be an issue? That's ridiculous, Mr. Wright.

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The defense rests, for now.


What are you doing?! You just leave the case before you give the witness a chance to respond!

How...how unprofessional!
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Unread 01-21-2008, 05:56 PM   #75
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((I swear, going in a battle of wits against Mesden is emotionally exhausting. I'm just reading it and already tired. That's why I avoid it in Mafia games. ;_; I like this game a lot less now. Time...to die.))

I believe I'll take these issues on in reverse order.

Concerning the last point, I had not left. I merely decided to break uot some coffee. Ask Godot about the stuff, it'll do wonders for your nerves. Which I happen to need when it comes to you, witness.

Concerning mental endurance, trust me when I say some people are just more tiring than others, and as far as moderation goes, unless you break at the equivilant of a hair trigger, in which case it is most likely left to another moderator. And perhaps you misread my statement concerning inactivity. My client's activity in his current state as a normal user has no bearing on anything concerning Moderation. If it is changed, it could only improve the position of the forums so long as he does not abuse the power, which he has not been shown to do. If he has, clearly I haven't been around long enough to have seen it

My previous witness, Nikose, has probably given the best description of my witness, both praising and fauting him. This can be said of any person, of course, but then not every person is up for the position of moderator.

Concerning my dodging the point, I clearly missed it completely or else I could not have discredited your testimony as harmless to my cause. I ask that you direct me to it, since I seem to be incapable and Edgeworth might wittily insult me again.

You may say that Fifthfiend makes rash desicions, but do you not think that his desicions are not discussed at one point? I would find it more odd that he never discussed them over his discussion of banning of people, since it is a major part and power of moderation and mostly comes down to interpretation of the rules. Is Fifthfiend rash? Possibly. But that's not the point of this, so I rest on this point.

I believe that will suffice for questioning, for now.
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Unread 01-21-2008, 07:31 PM   #76
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Concerning the last point, I had not left. I merely decided to break uot some coffee. Ask Godot about the stuff, it'll do wonders for your nerves. Which I happen to need when it comes to you, witness.


It's not like you said the defense rests for now, which means you're done with the witness and await the next stage of the defense. =(



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Concerning mental endurance, trust me when I say some people are just more tiring than others, and as far as moderation goes, unless you break at the equivilant of a hair trigger, in which case it is most likely left to another moderator.


The fact that Mr. Industries gets tired dealing with so few people is exactly why he can't take on a job that indicates the entirety of the forum.

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And perhaps you misread my statement concerning inactivity. My client's activity in his current state as a normal user has no bearing on anything concerning Moderation.
If he can't be active as a roleplay GM or member, how can he as a moderator? If you're trying to tell me that none of his activity before his hypothetical moderation exaltation has any bearing, then anyone is qualified to be a moderator, and that is just ridiculous.

Please reread what you're saying. It makes absolutely no sense.

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If it is changed, it could only improve the position of the forums so long as he does not abuse the power, which he has not been shown to do. If he has, clearly I haven't been around long enough to have seen it
He's had no real power to abuse. This is irrelevant. All we have to go on thusfar is his activity as a member and roleplayer, of which I've presented to you adequately.

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My previous witness, Nikose, has probably given the best description of my witness, both praising and fauting him.
Your previous witness just posted tons of threads he's posted in. I gave you explicit posts within each of them and proved your witness wrong. Also, he said Fifthfiend was a dick and I believe a previous court case proved that wrong, didn't it?

I believe your witness was just there to butter up the court to be fond of POS as an 'everyman' kind of guy, which hardly matters, as Mr. Edgeworth pointed out.

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This can be said of any person, of course, but then not every person is up for the position of moderator.
Neither is POS Industries. This is a trial on his potential worthiness.

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Concerning my dodging the point, I clearly missed it completely or else I could not have discredited your testimony as harmless to my cause. I ask that you direct me to it, since I seem to be incapable and Edgeworth might wittily insult me again.
Debauchery and favoritism. How did you not catch that? Are you sure you're the defense attorney?

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You may say that Fifthfiend makes rash desicions,


I never said that! I said he made quick decisions. Now you're just trying to make me look bad Mr. Wright!



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but do you not think that his desicions are not discussed at one point? I would find it more odd that he never discussed them over his discussion of banning of people, since it is a major part and power of moderation and mostly comes down to interpretation of the rules.


Most moderator bans and rulings are not discussed as the mods answer the problems rather quickly. It is only rarely decisions are reconsidered because they warrant an inter-moderator chat -- this is how you can tell they don't do it often, as the times where another moderator comes in and changes the rulings are quite rare and indicate no prior council.

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Unread 01-22-2008, 02:43 AM   #77
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Keep digging your own grave, Wright. I'm enjoying this.
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Unread 01-23-2008, 05:06 PM   #78
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Time runs short. The defense may call their final witness. We may be able to squeeze in one cross examination once the witness testifies.

Edgeworth, you may cross-examine immediately following testimony.
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Unread 01-23-2008, 07:35 PM   #79
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Sorry for the Delay, Your Honor, but I have explained myself in the proper location.


The defense calls...Intern Nin to the Stand. I know little about this witness myself, but I shall let his own words speak for themselves.
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Unread 01-24-2008, 10:33 PM   #80
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Well, with the lack of this defensive witness, coupled with Demonlink2's sheer inability to handle Mesden, this court has no choice but to find the defendant, Mr. POS Industries...
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