Scientology sees flood of former members speak out.

[MasterOfMagic]

No. Not all people are powerless to them. But most people have the potential to be if put in the wrong position. This is a very important distinction.

And yes, they should be lauded for breaking out. It took a lot of courage.

[Krylo]

Originally Posted by Funka Genocide

well I assume it means they disagree with me Jared. That's a logical assumption right?

Oh hey, I guess you do know what it means.

But then it's just kind of confusing that you would accuse them all of not contributing or not having any kind of conviction in their ideals because they're disagreeing with you.

Which is a far cry from the much more logical assumption that you just made.

I honestly don't care about right or wrong here, but levels of arrogant jackass are pretty heavy on one side, and show no signs of slowing down.

So, hey, there's that.

[Funka Genocide]

well my central point got very muddled somewhere in the counter argument phase. I started it off very combatively as well, but I didn't expect quite the backlash, which sort of caught me off guard.

And yeah, from my perspective it felt very one sided as everyone seemed to be harping on the same cookie cutter response to my assertions. However that could have easily been misoncstrued on my part due to frustation, still not sure though to be honest.

[bluestarultor]

Originally Posted by Funka Genocide

well my central point got very muddled somewhere in the counter argument phase. I started it off very combatively as well, but I didn't expect quite the backlash, which sort of caught me off guard.

And yeah, from my perspective it felt very one sided as everyone seemed to be harping on the same cookie cutter response to my assertions. However that could have easily been misoncstrued on my part due to frustation, still not sure though to be honest.

Well, forgive me for saying this, but when you totally undermine the danger these people are facing for leaving and speaking out, i.e. property damage and even physical harm up to and including murder attempts, you can proooobably expect people to get in your face over it.


Edit: That is to say that one of the RULES in Scientology is to make an effort to utterly destroy anyone who opposes it, so, yeah, you know what indoctrination is like in the military, the abuse you take, the difficulty in leaving, but you never seemed to grasp the danger of talking about it in these people's cases. After all, a lot of these people have family, even children, who might not be leaving with them, and, heck, what do you tell your kid when they get told to tell you they're not coming with you and you'll never see them again because of it. It's a horrible system that turns even families against their own members, and family is supposed to be the one place you can always come back to. It's an evil, abusive system that doesn't care who you are or what the laws are in its effort to destroy anything in its path, and you've said so. You just didn't seem to get that "anything" included people.

[Geminex]

I guess people disliked the fact that you saw the fault of scientology ruining people's lives in these people. This in turn made you seem rather arrogant, which made a lot of people a lot more willing to refute your points. Eventually the argument just burned down to you saying "Yes it does" and everyone else yelling "No it doesn't".

[Funka Genocide]

well my central response still stands, its not like I changed my mind. I was just being a bit "angry angry grr grr" from the get go which probably skewed the outcome because people take things personally (myself included).

ah well, better luck next time and all that

[Sir Pinkleton]

Originally Posted by Funka Genocide

well my central response still stands, its not like I changed my mind. I was just being a bit "angry angry grr grr" from the get go which probably skewed the outcome because people take things personally.

ah well, better luck next time and all that

Why wait for a next time when we still have a one now?

How long've these people been "coming out?" I've heard of this thing awhile ago, so it's not like it's new, right? Was it just that all of the other times I've missed it due to Scientology harping on them?

Edit: I guess to clarify, why is this certain account of people coming out more notable? just because it was a lot at the same time, and they have specific examples of treachery? I think we've always known Scientology was a bad deal, no?

[Funka Genocide]

I DO think that it's a good thing people are starting to break their delusions and come forward. I just think the efforts are directed in the wrong direction. Its like these people want to see a change in leadership instead of the end of Scientology, which I see as preferable.

[Sir Pinkleton]

Originally Posted by Funka Genocide

I DO think that it's a good thing people are starting to break their delusions and come forward. I just think the efforts are directed in the wrong direction. Its like these people want to see a change in leadership instead of the end of Scientology, which I see as preferable.

I guess they don't clarify what they want to do about Scientology then, now that they're out of it? It sounded to me like they wanted to end it, but I guess that's just through my logic, which hasn't been brainwashed to think in any way this is okay, unlike they, who now have some psychological problems from it all.

I admit, I didn't read all of the article via the link, so maybe they're more clear then. or maybe I've forgotten in the past few pages.

[bluestarultor]

Originally Posted by Sir Pinkleton

I guess they don't clarify what they want to do about Scientology then, now that they're out of it? It sounded to me like they wanted to end it, but I guess that's just through my logic, which hasn't been brainwashed to think in any way this is okay, unlike they, who now have some psychological problems from it all.

I admit, I didn't read all of the article via the link, so maybe they're more clear then. or maybe I've forgotten in the past few pages.

No, the articles are pretty strongly against the establishment and the people speaking out make an effort to paint it as a hellish organization led by a psychotic leader. They're saying it's all kinds of fucked up. The media just picked one area to focus on a bit more to sell the story.