Parasite Eve: 3rd Birthday OR Squeenix are a bunch of fucking idiots - Page 8

Nikose Tyris · 09-15-2010, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Kyanbu The Legend

Exactly, it's like you can't win either way.

Sure you can. Watch this-

"I don't care if it's sexist, if it's racist, or if it's going to make a group of people feel insulted and/or like less of a person, so long as it's provided in a format that's entertaining."

Either everything is tragic, evil and a malignment of a person/group/organization, or it's all hilarious. It's too much work to be in the middle.

And no, it doesn't carry over into hate crimes.

(An aside, holy shit I took a break from looking at the art you post, and all of a sudden you don't suck anymore, what the hell? Back in my day once you were terrible, by golly you STAYED terrible, stop being good at shit.)

Archbio · 09-15-2010, 12:23 AM

Krylo,

As for "Maximo" being buff: he's a knight in an adventure game. In at least two (the oldest?) games he also had that goofy, pointy beard. He was an older, grizzled knight in an adventure game. He wasn't conceived as a paragon of sex-appeal. He evolved towards being blander, less of a specific type. That's as much an "ideal of masculine beauty" as Ben Affleck's face is: that is to say not at all.

What they did do was just put muscles (as much as the period's graphics would allow) and a big sword on him because he's slaying fucking monsters. The other games seem to just have been following suit.

A big sword is phallic? That's hilarious. What would this "female equivalent character" have in place of a sword, since a sword is "masculine?" A featherduster?* What kind of weapon is shaped like a vagina? Help me out here.

*About as useful in slaying monsters as giant breasts.

RobinStarwing · 09-15-2010, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Archbio

Krylo,

As for "Maximo" being buff: he's a knight in an adventure game. In at least two (the oldest?) games he also had that goofy, pointy beard. He was an older, grizzled knight in an adventure game. He wasn't conceived as a paragon of sex-appeal. He evolved towards being blander, less of a specific type. That's as much an "ideal of masculine beauty" as Ben Affleck's face is: that is to say not at all.

What they did do was just put muscles (as much as the period's graphics would allow) and a big sword on him because he's slaying fucking monsters. The other games seem to just have been following suit.

A big sword is phallic? That's hilarious. What would this "female equivalent character" have in place of a sword, since a sword is "masculine?" A featherduster?* What kind of weapon is shaped like a vagina? Help me out here.

*About as useful in slaying monsters as giant breasts.

The Whip as the Serpent has always been attributed to the feminine in Spirituality and Shamanism due to it's connection to the Earth and Water, which are feminine elements.

Failing that, the Sword in a woman's hands would represent the Yin Yang of existence; There is always a little of one in the other.

Krylo · 09-15-2010, 12:32 AM

The V shaped male body of large defined chest and shoulders, and trim, but muscular, hips and waist being useful for killing things with a large sword doesn't alter the fact that it's one of the two idealized male body forms.

The point also isn't that Maximo wasn't bland, or that he was super attractive.

The point is that if you took a woman, gave her an hourglass figure, and drew her in a cartoony way with a silly bland face and bland features, and then made her clothes pop off to reveal a pair of grandma panties with hearts on them?

It'd still be seen as sexual instead of funny. Even though she'd never stand up to 'poster girls' like Katsumi or whatever other thing the kids are into these days.

Edit: Hell, even if you abandoned the standards of female beauty and gave her huge arms, that would only serve to sexualize her MORE to the niche crowd that dig on 'amazon' women.

Archbio · 09-15-2010, 12:35 AM

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Failing that, the Sword in a woman's hands would represent the Yin Yang of existence; There is always a little of one in the other.

A sword is also a sharp instrument that cuts stuff. To put my point another way. Associating an element or characteristic to the masculine in an ideific (ideal?) way to the masculine in order to exclude these elements or characteristics from the feminine is kind of rotten.

But seriously the whip thing is good. It's a great serious answer to a non-serious question.

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The point is that if you took a woman, gave her an hourglass figure, and drew her in a cartoony way with a silly bland face and bland features, and then made her clothes pop off to reveal a pair of grandma panties with hearts on them?

That's kind of the rub.

This whole, not overt, "female characters are really incongruous in adventure games" thing is really deeply ingrained.

Kim · 09-15-2010, 12:38 AM

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It'd still be seen as sexual instead of funny.

I really don't think so. Maybe by some people, but I'm here throwing a fit because of Parasite Eve, and I would honestly laugh at it. I think it's the whole idea of puffed out grandma panties that makes it work for me.

These are never not hilarious. I mean, especially if they're like super-poofy and shit.

Archbio · 09-15-2010, 12:42 AM

Edit: But NonCon, even if you gave her super-poofy underwear, that would only serve to sexualize her MORE to the niche crowd that dig on 'old timey wardrobe' women.

Krylo · 09-15-2010, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Archbio

Edit: But NonCon, even if you gave her super-poofy underwear, that would only serve to sexualize her MORE to the niche crowd that dig on 'old timey wardrobe' women.

Of course it would also do nothing to reduce the sexualization in almost everybody else.

Azisien · 09-15-2010, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by NonCon

2. Call me back when video games have jiggle physics for a dude's junk, or it bulges out to an absurd, unrealistic degree, complete with panning, zoomed in crotch-shots while the character is talking.

Such a game would be amazing. I hope Mass Effect 3 does this on Wrex's crotch or something.

Krylo · 09-15-2010, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Azisien

Such a game would be amazing. I hope Mass Effect 3 does this on Wrex's crotch or something.

Wrex and Garrus probably have like, exoskeletons on them, or they're inside the body most of the time or something.

Jacob's though. That should totally have jiggle physics.

09-15-2010, 12:23 AM	#72
Archbio Data is Turned On Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 3,980	Krylo, As for "Maximo" being buff: he's a knight in an adventure game. In at least two (the oldest?) games he also had that goofy, pointy beard. He was an older, grizzled knight in an adventure game. He wasn't conceived as a paragon of sex-appeal. He evolved towards being blander, less of a specific type. That's as much an "ideal of masculine beauty" as Ben Affleck's face is: that is to say not at all. What they did do was just put muscles (as much as the period's graphics would allow) and a big sword on him because he's slaying fucking monsters. The other games seem to just have been following suit. A big sword is phallic? That's hilarious. What would this "female equivalent character" have in place of a sword, since a sword is "masculine?" A featherduster?* What kind of weapon is shaped like a vagina? Help me out here. *About as useful in slaying monsters as giant breasts. __________________ 6201 Reasons to Support Electoral Reform.

09-15-2010, 12:32 AM	#74
Krylo The Straightest Shota Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: It's a secret to everybody. Posts: 17,789	The V shaped male body of large defined chest and shoulders, and trim, but muscular, hips and waist being useful for killing things with a large sword doesn't alter the fact that it's one of the two idealized male body forms. The point also isn't that Maximo wasn't bland, or that he was super attractive. The point is that if you took a woman, gave her an hourglass figure, and drew her in a cartoony way with a silly bland face and bland features, and then made her clothes pop off to reveal a pair of grandma panties with hearts on them? It'd still be seen as sexual instead of funny. Even though she'd never stand up to 'poster girls' like Katsumi or whatever other thing the kids are into these days. Edit: Hell, even if you abandoned the standards of female beauty and gave her huge arms, that would only serve to sexualize her MORE to the niche crowd that dig on 'amazon' women. __________________ I am very tired. Last edited by Krylo; 09-15-2010 at 12:36 AM.

09-15-2010, 12:42 AM	#77
Archbio Data is Turned On Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 3,980	Edit: But NonCon, even if you gave her super-poofy underwear, that would only serve to sexualize her MORE to the niche crowd that dig on 'old timey wardrobe' women. __________________ 6201 Reasons to Support Electoral Reform.