Talking about Final fantasy Main Characters

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Originally Posted by NonCon

Vincent.

Ah but I could just leave him in that stupid coffin where no matter how I try I can't get Auron to fuck off and leave me alone.

[Kim]

Auron didn't get his own game about being a pedophile.

[Krylo]

Knowing Smarty's horrible taste I could almost believe he means what he's saying.

However, Auron is in the same game as Wakka.

[Jagos]

Originally Posted by Krylo

That was an actual style in Japan practiced by teenage girls at the time FF7 was released.


...Someday they will put a Ganguro girl in an FF and in ten years someone will complain about how the character wore too much make up.

Actually, it will probably be pretty much immediately.

They made the Ganguro girls bunnies in FF Ivalice/Tactics/12.

[Krylo]

Assuming you're talking about the Viera: No. That's not a thing that happened.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Originally Posted by NonCon

Auron didn't get his own game about being a pedophile.

Haven't played it so I can act like it doesn't exist.

Originally Posted by Krylo

Knowing Smarty's horrible taste I could almost believe he means what he's saying.

However, Auron is in the same game as Wakka.

Wakka is annoying but that's pretty much on purpose. Like he's this crazy religious zealot racist and if you made such a character likeable you'd get into heaps of shit so they just made him ridiculous caricature and I find it hilarious.
Wakka is like the Leslie Nielsen- delivering ridiculous lines but playing them all straight.

[Yumil]

Originally Posted by Nique

Well, other than her personality totally undermining the trope she represents, she actually has a pretty decent arc during the first few hours of the game. There's some other stuff with her character later on coping with her feelings n' stuff but that's all undermined by FF8's story totally changing gears (or smashing the gears into random peices? Really reaching for a good metaphor here) half-way through the game.

That's why I really like the theory that Squall dies at the end of the first disc and the rest is a dream as his life is draining. At first he get's everything he wants, the reality changes and slowly everything goes away. You get to see his memories get more and more distorted, then he finds peace and you see your "good" ending, which is him believing everyone will be alright.

If you haven't read the full theory and "proof" then have a go here. Honestly, I believe this is what they originally intended to do for the game, but in the end decided to make it subtly hinted at instead of blatantly told by the story. I respect the plot holes a little more if this is the case.

[Krylo]

Originally Posted by Yumil

If you haven't read the full theory and "proof" then have a go here. Honestly, I believe this is what they originally intended to do for the game, but in the end decided to make it subtly hinted at instead of blatantly told by the story. I respect the plot holes a little more if this is the case.

The one thing this entire theory forgets is that it's a Final Fantasy game.

Well that and the fact that there's very little to suggest what is happening isn't really happening. Characters act odd, but that's more likely bad writing than anything to do with the main character being dead. Moombas are odd, but no odder than any other creature ever put into a Final Fantasy game, and again, all the oddities surrounding it are more easily attributed to bad writing than dead Squall.

And it's not like the writing SUDDENLY got bad after Edea skewered him. It was bad from the get go. It just got progressively worse as the game went on from the starting line. From Rinoa dancing with Squall to pass the time and then running off, to Squall being an ass to Quistis, to Zell's entire existence, to SELPHIE's entire existence, to Cid having Squall's team work for Rinoa more or less for free for no good reason, to random shared pass outs/Laguna dreams to Rinoa's dad just happens to be the general who is hiring you to kill Edea to Rinoa getting mind controlled, etc. etc.

There would need to be something, even something small, that actually stated this was a dream or an imagination. If the Laguna dreams had started AFTER the alleged death to Edea, it might be onto something, but they started well before that point. Just before Squall's first mission with Rinoa.

In fact, very little that happens after Squall is supposedly dead is any more fantastic than the things that happened before hand (world wide broad casting system that no one really remembered getting fixed, single person nearly managing to kill the most powerful political figure ever on live television, teleporting sorceresses, undead dopplegangers, etc. etc.)

AND, most importantly, Final Fantasy is just not that clever. Square's writing team has never, in its long existence, proven themselves to be even close to that clever.

The game was just poorly written, it wasn't a brilliant avant-garde work about the images passing through a boy's head as his life slips away.

[EVILNess]

Originally Posted by Krylo

AND, most importantly, Final Fantasy is just not that clever. Square's writing team has never, in its long existence, proven themselves to be even close to that clever.

Final Fantasy Tactics.

I credit that more to Matsuno than Square though, I mean it's not like either of the other two Final Fantasy Tactics games even came close.

I totally agree with you though Krylo. If Squall was dead then why did they have two Laguna Dreams before he was impaled? That alone pokes an enormous hole in the "Theory."

If you read the Ultimania (I think its an Ultimania...) they give Ultimecia's motives as preventing her own death. She saw a premonition of her own death at the hands of SeeDs, so she wanted to create a world where she would be all-powerful and no one could match her strength. Hence the Time Compression. However, she ended up fulfilling her own prophecy by fighting Squall and Company and creating a stable time loop by giving Edea her powers.

[Kim]

Originally Posted by Krylo

The game was just poorly written, it wasn't a brilliant avant-garde work about the images passing through a boy's head as his life slips away.

This. If you have to make up absurd fan theories to make a plot not be horrible (or even less horrible) then it's safe to say that the writing is just especially horrible.

As for FFT as an example of good Squeenix writing, I actually have my own complaints with that game's plot, though it's certainly one of the best ones. FFXII's plot is good, too, but let's be perfectly honest here. Even if you take the best writing in an FF game, no matter what FF game that happens to be, there are probably multiple examples of superior writing in other franchises. The FF games excel at being good. Not great. Not amazing. Just good. Bad FF games are rare in the main series, but that doesn't mean FF is a fantastic franchise.