"Strong Female Characters" or "Sexy Girls Kicking Butt In Tight Clothes"

[Kim]

Originally Posted by Kyanbu The Legend

Bringing up the most hated manga on the forum as a list of movies I watch was just fuel against me.

How much we do or do not like it is really irrelevant. You brought up BLEACH in a discussion about sexism. Is Bleach the most sexist manga? No, but it's certainly not remotely progressive. Yeah, we're gonna call attention to that.

I'm backing out of this topic before my projects and art get affected... again.

Thank you for keeping us up to date.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Damn it I just can't stay off this topic.

I brought it up only as a side mention to what movies I STILL watch. I never, and I mean never said I watched it for reasons releated to the topic at hand. If it's important to know, I watch it for the sword fights. Same reason I watch DBZ, for the senseless over the top violence nothing more.

But it's off topic and unimportant. I only came back so that I wouldn't look like a coward for backing out after screwing up again.

And besides there isn't much else to discuss about this topic outside of arguements that will just keep going back and forth anyway.

So might as well let it die or spam/troll it to death as part of NPF tradition.

[Kim]

Originally Posted by Kyanbu The Legend

I brought it up only as a side mention to what movies I STILL watch.

We were talking about sexism in movies. That was the discussion at hand.

You said, "Thank goodness I only watch Bleach and DBZ anymore," in response to this discussion.

How, exactly, did you think it would be interpreted?

[Kyanbu The Legend]

I was assuming it would be ignored as usual for awhile. But the ultimate out come was more or less the same.

It's an unavoidable outcome when I get involved in a discussion about the over sexualized media problem and male dominence. No matter how much I try to avoid it.

[The Sevenshot Kid]

Originally Posted by Kyanbu The Legend

It's an unavoidable outcome when I get involved in a discussion about the over sexualized media problem and male dominence. No matter how much I try to avoid it.

What is the unavoidable outcome?!

You just say that you shouldn't be in the thread? You offer up an argument and then back out when someone actually tries discussing it with you? You'll complain about it "impacting your art?"

Dude. You need to quit complaining about being misrepresented or whatever the hell you're doing when you're not even willing to explain yourself adequately.

[Ecks]

Aside from Kubo liking to draw well endowed women, they kind of skirt sexism in a "drawing attention to it" sense.

Almost all Bleach characters ("KUROSAKI-KUN! KUROSAKI-KUN! KUROSAKI-KUN!" fangirl aside) that have two X chromosomes are generally on equal footing with their male equivalents. Rangiku, while a good character, was not a good example due to having half her busom hanging out (which I assume to be a combat tactic, she's very much about distracting a target, given Haineko's ability). There's a whole laundry list of decent female characters who don't exhibit the usual disregard for practical clothing in combat, while still holding strong values.

Orihime though, however much better she's gotten since the time skip in the manga, will always fall short of where I'd hoped she would. If she could've stayed the way she was pre-SS and just been the plucky Cloudcookerlander instead of Kubo making her pine away for Ichigo to obliviously misread her signals...

I don't know, does that make me sexist that that annoys me? I understand a lot of character development came from her anguish and unrequited love, but still, when it comes down to the point where every word out of her mouth for a whole chapter or episode was "KUROSAKI-KUN!" then you have on some level derailed your character.

But then we all have to remember, I guess, that Japanese values and American values do not coincide in some respects.

[Magus]

I don't know that Kill Bill wasn't objectifying. You see, Tarantino actually has a foot fetish, and that's why we spent half the movie looking at Uma Thurman's feet. He just happens to find something titillating that isn't her chest.

That said it was certainly closer to being empowering than 99% of other movies.

[Aerozord]

maybe its also the type of movie we are discussing. There is a huge differance between popcorn action flick and a deep and thought provoking one.

Frankly I dislike the rule that all movies must have a love interest. Seriously modern screen writing views love interest as crucial to have as an antagonist, as in, if you dont have one dont bother writing it. Then of course anything PG-13 or above, ie all action movies, will have a sex scene, just cause.

Lets also remember there are many hands in a movie. It really just takes one person insisting she gets her tits out for this to happen. Hell I've heard they have added such scenes specifically because a certain female actress was playing the role and they knew it would boost sales.

[Magus]

I noticed when watching The Green Hornet (not really a recommended movie by me but it was okay for a movie channel movie) that Cameron Diaz's character was introduced something like a third of the way through the movie and was pretty pointless.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Originally Posted by The Sevenshot Kid

What is the unavoidable outcome?!

You just say that you shouldn't be in the thread? You offer up an argument and then back out when someone actually tries discussing it with you? You'll complain about it "impacting your art?"

Dude. You need to quit complaining about being misrepresented or whatever the hell you're doing when you're not even willing to explain yourself adequately.

Believe me I'm sorry things turned out like that. The discussion started becoming personal for me and I got too carried away. Shit almost always seem to happen.

On topic
I've never really noticed that most flix have atleast 1 love interest. It's an over used thing but not really something that's as bad as over used and over sexualized lead characters.