The Avengers

[POS Industries]

Originally Posted by Magus

they can't also actually show New Yorkers dying or, I dunno, PTSD will set in due to memories of 9/11 or something or some other PC reason for it.

That or maybe, just maybe, people don't want to bring their kids to see a movie where a point is made to drive home the horrible deaths of countless innocent civilians.

I don't recall the movie making it clear just how many people did or did not die at any point, so I didn't really see it as a happy fun time cuddles nobody getting killed by the big bad aliens moment, either. It was pretty much just your run of the mill family friendly superhero movie action sequence.

[Doc ock rokc]

Originally Posted by POS Industries

That or maybe, just maybe, people don't want to bring their kids to see a movie where a point is made to drive home the horrible deaths of countless innocent civilians.

I don't recall the movie making it clear just how many people did or did not die at any point, so I didn't really see it as a happy fun time cuddles nobody getting killed by the big bad aliens moment, either. It was pretty much just your run of the mill family friendly superhero movie action sequence.

They did add a nice touch in the news segment where there was a wall dedicated to all those that died. Judging by the size Its at least a few hundred.

Which is RIDICULOUSLY good considering it was a Full Scale Alien invasion with a ton of buildings being knocked down. Cap's plan and the Cops must have really done a good job.

[Magus]

Originally Posted by POS Industries

That or maybe, just maybe, people don't want to bring their kids to see a movie where a point is made to drive home the horrible deaths of countless innocent civilians.

I don't recall the movie making it clear just how many people did or did not die at any point, so I didn't really see it as a happy fun time cuddles nobody getting killed by the big bad aliens moment, either. It was pretty much just your run of the mill family friendly superhero movie action sequence.

Oh, okay, well I'll just shut up about the obvious bowdlerization of death and how it might be more harmful to kids to assume the deaths of countless military people is totally okay, and also okay to not develop enough mental faculties to find it contradictory with the fact that New York was literally blown the hell up and people just somehow managed to get out of the way in time except for twice when Captain America had to actually help them.

That's another thing about the audience for this movie though: is there really any point to bringing your annoying three-year-old kid to the movie? I had to put up with a kid reciting back every single damn thing that happened in the movie in an annoying high-pitched voice "Iron Man got hurt! He hit Thor! Thor mad, haha! Thor mad!" They aren't going to remember what the hell happened in the movie later in life, I can assure you. At least with ten year olds I could conceive of them actually enjoying it instead of getting irritable halfway through and playing with their parents cellphone during the final scenes, shining the damn light in my eyes as I tried to appreciate Tony's sacrifice.

EDIT:

They did add a nice touch in the news segment where there was a wall dedicated to all those that died. Judging by the size Its at least a few hundred.

See, the damn kids made me miss this which helps explain this plot hole away!

ANOTHER EDIT:

Just as a further aside about these movies and your kids, parents of America: you all brought your kids to a movie where a dude literally gets stabbed through the chest and blood goes everywhere. This is fairly forgivable, as it is a fairly light-hearted, action-centered affair (except for whoever had that kid playing with the phone because dammit just take the phone off of them. I hate you). But you also all brought your kids to The Dark Knight (still understandable, it's Batman, you didn't know about the magic pencil trick), and, utterly inexplicably, Watchmen. We get it, parents of America: you don't actually give a fuck. But the last thing I needed to disrupt my enjoyment of Dr. Manhattan's flaccid penis flip-flopping everywhere was your steely, awkward silence in the face of your three year old blathering "Haha, he just blew that guy up and his guts went all over the ceiling! Haha, Rorschach mad! Cleaver go SMACK, right in head! Haha, his penis is blue! BLUE!"

[The Sevenshot Kid]

Originally Posted by rpgdemon

The other thing I would have liked explained better was "I'm always angry." Like, that doesn't explain his party trick or how he controls the Hulk at all. It felt really weak to me, and the fact that he was worried about Hulking out, and had no idea what he was doing when he was Hulked out and attacking the plane/falling made it feel like he had no control, then suddenly, "JK guys, I had control the entire time."

People with anger problems are angry all the time. Everything seems to find a way to get on your nerves. like a Charmander with The real problem is not being able to control the anger and having an outburst. That's what Bruce was talking about. giant fucking warts He's got that anger boiling underneath him all the time and he's not allowed to let it out or people might die. At the end he just lets it out and Hulk goes apeshit. He doesn't necessarily control the Hulk but he does point him in the right direction. pineapple upside down cake.

[Jagos]

In regards to Spider-Man not being in the movie?

Out of movie - Sony owns SM for a while

In movie - He was off protecting New Yorkers from the aliens along with Daredevil and Elektra.

Also, Cap is a guy from the 40s. He was familiar with a Tommy Gun which is shot at the hip. Also, he's firing full auto while the guy that's giving him hell is firing in short controlled bursts. Just goes to show how much detail they put into this movie to make him seem like a guy out of his time period.

[Magus]

Banner's Hulk power has always been a little confusing. For instance, in the movie he talks about how he tried to shoot himself and spat the bullet out as the Hulk. In the comics, he got shot one time and turned into the Hulk, and couldn't turn back or else he would die. This happened concurrently with his being made self-aware/intelligent in Hulk form by the Leader. One comic later and they had retconned him to being stupid in Hulk form again, but he still had the bullet in him and was presumably "trapped" in Hulk form. I don't know if they ever settled this storyline arc or just forgot about it eventually, but it's certainly different with Movie Hulk that even after getting a bullet lodged in him as Banner it can be easily removed when in Hulk form.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

Well in the last Hulk film he also fell out of a plane and was still Banner when he hit the ground, so it seems movie Hulk essentially kicks in the instant any life threatening injury occurs to Banner, which then heals his human form whilst he's hulking out. Pretty much makes Bruce unkillable as he just self ressurects all the time.

[Lumenskir]

with Movie Hulk that even after getting a bullet lodged in him as Banner it can be easily removed when in Hulk form.

I thought the implication was that he had put the barrel in his mouth, pulled the trigger, and before the bullet ever reached his brain he Hulked out?

Also, aren't we just supposed to assume he has complete control of Hulk now, and only started to rampage because Loki's staff corrupted him from proximity? I mean, that still leaves the plot hole of why Loki thought his plan was foolproof when there seemed to be a few countermeasures designed to just eject the Hulk, but in future movies it should makes things simpler.

[DarkDrgon]

Originally Posted by rpgdemon

I agree, there were just a few moments that were dramatic, then the tension was ruined because the theatre burst out laughing, and you sort of feel bad that it was taken away from you. It pulled you out of the movie, and it wasn't a good feeling, even though laughter happened.

The biggest flaw, to me, was Thor should have revived Iron Man with lightning, they shouldn't have played the moment off as a big haha joke look at Hulk yell it's funny. I was waiting for the payoff of the 400% power set up all movie, and the time for it to finally shine, nothing happened.

I was expecting that, and was shocked that it became a comic relief moment. thats the kinda thing I was talking about. Stark making a witty comeback afterwords, sure, but not cutting the tension in the middle of the scene

[Doc ock rokc]

Originally Posted by Magus

Banner's Hulk power has always been a little confusing. For instance, in the movie he talks about how he tried to shoot himself and spat the bullet out as the Hulk. In the comics, he got shot one time and turned into the Hulk, and couldn't turn back or else he would die. This happened concurrently with his being made self-aware/intelligent in Hulk form by the Leader. One comic later and they had retconned him to being stupid in Hulk form again, but he still had the bullet in him and was presumably "trapped" in Hulk form. I don't know if they ever settled this storyline arc or just forgot about it eventually, but it's certainly different with Movie Hulk that even after getting a bullet lodged in him as Banner it can be easily removed when in Hulk form.

actually this is reference to another comic where banner actually did try to commit suicide. The last page of the first comic in the arc was him pulling the trigger with a gun in his mouth. The first page of the second comic is hulk with a mangled gun in one hand spitting out a bullet and promptly Flipping the fuck out in his rage against banner. It was probobly the fact that Banner himself was pulling the trigger that got Hulk to come out so quickly. But Also That comic was 80's hulk who still had the "Can only transform at night or when shit is REALLY going down" weakness. Over time of the comics Banner and Hulk start blending making their transformations faster.