No One Gives A Shit About That Climate Change Thing That's Going to Kill Us All

[A Zarkin' Frood]

At least the American liberals have finally caught up with the rest of the world and deserve their label again now. Green money machine sounds exactly like something a liberal would do to cash in some more.

[Sithdarth]

I remember there was a water-fuelled car in Popular Science like 15 years ago but I'm presuming it was more like a prototype or just a theory or something.

Water is not a fuel and will never be a fuel. Water is nothing more than Hydrogen ash. You wouldn't try to burn wood ash to make energy because its already burnt wood. It has given up its energy. Likewise you shouldn't try to make energy from hydrogen ash because its already given up its energy. That water powered car and any like it are nothing but scams.

Also, as entertaining as Popular Science can sometimes be it's science is more often than not pretty terrible.

[Solid Snake]

Originally Posted by A Zarkin' Frood

At least the American liberals have finally caught up with the rest of the world and deserve their label again now. Green money machine sounds exactly like something a liberal would do to cash in some more.

The irony is that I'd personally be ecstatic if we had a 'green money machine' paying off alternative energy innovations, shutting down fossil fuel projects, bribing officials, filtering defense money covertly into environmental causes, etc.

Because then we'd be, y'know, actually ensuring humanity survives another century or two.

[Aerozord]

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

Because then we'd be, y'know, actually ensuring humanity survives another century or two.

you are kind of assuming most people care if humanity survives after they are dead. They'd rather enjoy their pampered life style than worry about the fate of a generation that hasn't come yet.

[Sifright]

Man you have no idea, this shit is going to affect me and you. In thirty years time average temperatures will be up by 6 degrees the swings up and down will be up vastly more dramatic. Droughts will decimate our ability to create food. America will quite probably starve as your food producing states will be hit the worst assuming your government doesn't subsidize importing food..

Edit: what i'm trying to say is we aren't talking about a generational gap, every one born within the last 20 odd years is going to be hit very hard by global warming.

[Aerozord]

Originally Posted by Sifright

Man you have no idea, this shit is going to affect me and you. In thirty years time average temperatures will be up by 6 degrees the swings up and down will be up vastly more dramatic. Droughts will decimate our ability to create food. America will quite probably starve as your food producing states will be hit the worst assuming your government doesn't subsidize importing food..

Edit: what i'm trying to say is we aren't talking about a generational gap, every one born within the last 20 odd years is going to be hit very hard by global warming.

no no the poor will suffer food shortages and roast in their own homes. If the rich pay 5 times as much for food and 10 times for heating and cooling (or just stay in their summer/winter home) it still wont stress their wallets. It will be a long time before the rich have any real problems of their own.

[Solid Snake]

Originally Posted by Aerozord

no no the poor will suffer food shortages and roast in their own homes. If the rich pay 5 times as much for food and 10 times for heating and cooling (or just stay in their summer/winter home) it still wont stress their wallets. It will be a long time before the rich have any real problems of their own.

Man I'm not really convinced that even the rich will be thrilled if shit hits the fan as it's feasibly anticipated it might.

Like there's a lot of assumptions in any prediction that the rich will be okay, such as "The fact that the poor severely outnumber them won't eventually bite them in the asses once things get really bad."

But from a more pragmatic perspective I'd much rather we attempt to convince the rich to help us do something about it, and a defeatist attitude in which the rich will be just fine and dandy regardless of what happens is kind of the wrong way to go about that.

[Aerozord]

I wouldn't say its defeatist, I mean whether or not any given person is ok doesn't influence whether or not I'm ok. More cynicism. They dont care because they dont have reason to care. Yes eventually there will be revolts and war and even the rich will be in trouble. But it takes a good decade or two after things get that bad before people are willing to kill over it. So if things go down the crapper in 30 years it will probably be more lke 50 before we have major conflict. Most of them will be dead by then

I mean the upper class isn't stupid, they know their money wont help them if they are dead. If they thought things would spiral out of control in 20 or 30 years they'd be just as eager to try and solve it. Assuming they will live to see things hit the fan, they clearly think it will take longer.

[Marelo]

So I just read an interesting article that doesn't dismiss climate change as a problem, but does take a look at the accuracy of doomsday predictions in the past and why they were wrong, and apply that same framework to current problems.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

People in the past were stupid. What does that prove?