GamerGate? Da fuq is a GamerGate?

[Marc v4.0]

Except yes, yes it is. Me and Kim were both there at the very front of this when it first exploded, we saw the posts leading up to the creation of #NotYourShield as a deflection tactic, we've read the horrible logs and seen the images of their threads coordinating targets based on being "SJW Shills", people shouted and spammed out because they expressed a desire to refocus on ACTUAL, REAL AND TANGIBLE corruption instead of being concerned of 'SJW' writings all the time. Discussing a blanket policy of 'Zoe Who?' as a deflection to accusations, someone even asked if this meant they were going to stop harassing her, and were happily told that it would continue and this was only meant to further muddle issues in their favor.

It started out as nothing more than the misogynist hate-spewing of channers, and hasn't changed since except in that they have SOMEHOW convinced others that there actually is a legitimate Indie/SJW conspiracy to ruin gaming forever.

There is nothing else to GamerGate itself as a movement. I don't need to read about it, this has been our daily background radiation SINCE IT STARTED.

[Solid Snake]

Originally Posted by Red Mage Black

Kim, Snake and Marc. Fuck you guys.

Welp.
You clearly understand how to advance a rational argument.

(This snarky comment doubles as "Welp, I'm done with this thread," because gosh, if that's the actual initial and immediate, unprovoked, reaction to what's been said in this thread so far, then there's no point in even trying here.)

[Grandmaster_Skweeb]

Continuously claiming that the gamergate movement is purely about threatening, demeaning, and harassing women is disingenuous and, frankly, willing ignorance for the sake of ignorance. Shifting the narrative about to them continuously is tiresome and a display of pants-on-head density. That said, Quinn and Sarkeesian are flies on the wall at this point. I'll say once again: if it wasn't from Eron and Quinn it would've been started from something else. It's not about them at this point. It was a powder keg waiting to explode so it was wrong time wrong people situation. I may personally find Quinn to be a disgusting histrionic opportunist and Sarkeesian to be the prime example of a snake-oil selling swindler, but does that mean I support them being threatened in any way? No, not at all. I simply have no fucks to give about them.

Now, the people who are serious about it have long since tried to enforce ceasing the harassment of certain parties and people in general. That said, there are outliers acting outside of the rules simply to stir up shit and touch the poop. This applies to both camps.

Dunno how many times that needs to be addressed, 'cause digging in and stating they're the monsters, muh soggy knees muh soggy knees! plug the ears la-la-la-la-la-la muh soggy knees! is getting a tad insipid. Hell, I'd love to see a conversation without the word misogyny bantered about like it actually means something in a conversation anymore. But I digress.

When an Executive states that supporters of a movement, which includes me by proxy, are equivalent to ISIS I'll get irritated. When a bumbling game writer claims supporters of GG willingly partakes in child sexual abuse to push rhetoric? I'll really get my hackles raised. When some schlub says that "gamers are worse than ISIS. I'll get rightly pissed-the-fuck off.

When talentless vacuous blogger hack masquerade as journalists, and yet have a terrible time understanding what the word Recuse means and how to adhere to it, decree that gamers are dead/sick/disgusting/terrible/dead/killed/left behind/enter word here..well then, I'm going to get real pissed. At the core all that is wanted is integrity and honesty in articles. Objective reviews, not sensationalist advocacy journalism pap. Transparency.

Also, this is a special link just for you Marc.

[Ryong]

And what became of the people who wanted to refocus on the ACTUAL, REAL AND TANGIBLE corruption?

They splintered off but are still part of the movement. This is a goddamn huge thing. You have to stop assuming that anyone who disagrees with you fits the bill of privileged, straight, white, rich dudebro who uses the internet as a way to spread hate and vitriol.

Yes, a lot of terrible things were done, but you claim that literally everyone who says they're part of the movement is scum. Why is the idea of shades of gray so hard to understand?

Originally Posted by Grandmaster_Skweeb

Also, this is a special link just for you Marc.

The irony of making a strawman out of a group of people who accuse others of being strawmen is kind of overwhelming.

[Doc ock rokc]

Marc You're throwing some mighty hard accusations without evidence. I mean I look at some of the screen shots saved from the stuff and while yeah there is a small group of misogynist dicks here and there there are people seeking out corruption. Both sides have their childish dickweeds. This isn't necessarily new but judging an entire group based off of one or two people is just childish.

[Marc v4.0]

Yeah, I think I am with Snake at this point. The point where actually having seen all this going down live and keeping up with it painstakingly every day since it started isn't considered valid enough.

Thankfully, just like every other barely-functioning and hate-spewing disaster 4chan decides to start, it will run itself into the ground and go up in flames soon enough, and then maybe a proper movement can get off the ground that goes after the big names that actually perpetuate corruption in the industry instead of just hassling powerless Indy devs and people who just want equal representation in gaming. Have fun associating yourself with a movement whose core happily accepts support from and defends people like weev, a literal fucking nazi.

[Solid Snake]

Originally Posted by Grandmaster_Skweeb

Continuously claiming that the gamergate movement is purely about threatening, demeaning, and harassing women is disingenuous and, frankly, willing ignorance for the sake of ignorance. Shifting the narrative about to them continuously is tiresome and a display of pants-on-head density.

I guess I should just keep waiting for Shadow of Mordor's team to receive rape and death threats, then.

Your arguments remind me of the same kinds of arguments moderate Republicans advance when progressives criticize the Republican Party's extremist, fringe elements (like the Tea Party.) Sure, absolutely, not everyone involved in this GamerGate thing is a raging misogynistic fuckwit. But there's enough raging misogynistic fuckwits characterizing the movement that you should be asking yourself whether GamerGate actually represents what you think it does, as a whole, in the aggregate.

To turn your perspective around on its head for a second, let me just ask this question: Given all the publicly known examples of extremely shady shit AAA developers and publishers have been doing in the industry for years now, why didn't GamerGate become a thing until Zoey Quinn?

It's clear that there's a rational argument against developer and media collusion buried somewhere deep within the bowels of this ugly movement. I've acknowledged that from the outset of my participation in this thread. But misogynists, who make up a healthy percentage of this movement, never had to 'hijack' GamerGate because GamerGate started on the utterly flawed premise that we had the right to read an ex-boyfriend's angry, incomprehensible tirades about his girlfriend's private sex life. It's almost akin to a hypothetical Internet Free Speech / Net Neutrality campaign finding its footing in men's passionate defenses of the Jennifer Lawrence nude leaks.

[synkr0nized]

Originally Posted by Aldurin

So I have to ask, can NPF clarify what's going on? With both sides, hopefully, so I can parse the who-the-fuck/what-the-fuck/where-the-fuck of this whole situation.

No, don't...

[Doc ock rokc]

Originally Posted by Marc v4.0

Yeah, I think I am with Snake at this point. The point where actually having seen all this going down live and keeping up with it painstakingly every day since it started isn't considered valid enough.

Thankfully, just like every other barely-functioning and hate-spewing disaster 4chan decides to start, it will run itself into the ground and go up in flames soon enough, and then maybe a proper movement can get off the ground that goes after the big names that actually perpetuate corruption in the industry instead of just hassling powerless Indy devs and people who just want equal representation in gaming. Have fun associating yourself with a movement whose core happily accepts support from and defends people like weev, a literal fucking nazi.

Right so now you're on it because of 4chan's backing? 4chan is a festering shithole of all kinds of crap but sometimes but you so easily forget when 4chan systematically found and reported two kids who killed an endangered turtle. Yeah these guys are the worst of the worst at times but remember They think the journalists are acting worse then THEY are. Maybe that should send up a warning sign.

[Grandmaster_Skweeb]

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

To turn your perspective around on its head for a second, let me just ask this question: Given all the publicly known examples of extremely shady shit AAA developers and publishers have been doing in the industry for years now, why didn't GamerGate become a thing until Zoey Quinn?

Right/wrong place at the right/wrong time, honestly. As I said, it was a slow buildup. Kinda one of those 'We've come to expect this behavior from AAA studios, but to see it happen on the indie scene? Knife to the back, man.' reactions.

But now the push is heading towards holding big names accountable for their sleazy wheeling 'n dealings. From the bottom to the top. I can get behind that.