Pokemon Umbral Discussion 34: all your base...

[Dracorion]

Originally Posted by Geminex

I'll have double rage for Impact, please.

You already got that. You asked for double Rage for Slayers and Pokebrids, remember? Besides, you're getting your RPDA soon, and it's customizable. You could have it give Impact like 300/100 RPs or something.

Originally Posted by Geminex

Also, yeah. College has begun for me. I have had very little time.
I seriously am not certain quite how this is gonna continue. The amount of time available to me is gonna decrease, rather than increase. And even when I get a good internet connection, I'd really have to see.
If this weren't so big, this would probably be the point where I'd drop out altogether, but hell. This is Umbral. The only way you leave Umbral... is feet-first.
Well, or by just not posting anymore. One of the two.
Anyway, I certainly intend to do neither. But more than one post a day, maybe two, won't be likely (and I'd still miss one or two days a week). And not long posts either. I'll need to appoint someone else to look after balance for me (because I still firmly believe that it's necessary).

You know what I heard?

HEY AB, GIMMAH SUPER-DEMON POWERS AND AND BEING ABLE TO DEPLOY FIFTEEN XTH-LEVEL LEGENDARIES AT A TIME.

Originally Posted by Geminex

...
Or, y'know, I somehow get you all to act in good faith when you choose powers for yourselves.

Now I'm not going to just to spite you.

Originally Posted by Geminex

Mind you, the fact that I'm gone shouldn't encourage you to feel anything but a dull foreboding, gainst the time I return.

Did you say get lulled to a false sense of a security?

Why yes, I believe you did!

Originally Posted by Geminex

And Drac, I totally cried. It was utterly heart-breaking when those toys survived. I mean, you'd think we'd get to see woody incinerated, but noooo...

Man, you can't expect to conquer the world if you cry because of an animate inanimate toy in a movie.



In regards to Menarker's item, I haven't seen it be overpowered yet. Keep in mind that I was the one who was against it from the start.

That said, the second he gets more than 30 Rage in one turn you can be damn sure I'm going to choke a bitch.

Hey AB, with Geminex not being so active anymore methinks we need a new leader!

Gnehehehehe hehehahahahaha HEHEHEHEHEH-- Ahem-hem, why no, I was not just laughing evily, why do you ask?

[Bard The 5th LW]

Hey AB, with Geminex not being so active anymore methinks we need a new leader!

Charlotte is up to the task.

[Dracorion]

Welp, it's unanimous.

Charlotte is the new leader.

All Hail the Dark Mistress Ursaring!

[Menarker]

Originally Posted by Geminex

Menarker:


Ahem.
Really, my point stands. This item alone, the way it is now, is gonna more or less double Renny's rage. Do the math.
Now, I don't know, but I think, if I suggested a custom accessory that gave Impact double rage generation with no downside, you'd all be having a contest to see who can scream 'HELL NO' loudest (and it would be Drac). If you think such an item's overpowered for Impact, none of you, (and that includes you, AB) should be ok with Togekiss' little bandana. Mind you, if you don't think that the bandana's overpowered, fair enough. I'll have double rage for Impact, please.


And really, how was my nerf retarded? Sympathy damage is thematic and at least offers some kind of a downside, even if only a minor one. And hell, my original thought, that it only affected togekiss' adjacent ones isn't 'bordering on useless' either. Since you'd be getting double rage when your other pokemon gets attacked, and standard rage when togekiss' neithbor gets attacked. Over the couse of a battle, that can be quite a lot. If you call that 'bordering on useless' you have to lower your expectations.

First of all, I wish you luck with college.

Secondly, you're grossly mistaken about Togekiss's item. Renny would not gain an additional rage if any of his pokemons were hit. (It's like the item doesn't trigger) It would only trigger when...
A: Togekiss is out. (And thus, it is stopped if Togekiss gets knocked out). It is like Togekiss wearing a sign saying "Stop me ASAP or my master and all his friends will fuck up your day. Thank you! <3" Although most foes would not know this in-character, but those who know about the species in general
should know that Togekisses are powerful to begin with, and are bad news.


B: Injury is caused by the foe. It happens only with something bad is happened, and it can't be prevented. Also because it is pretty much up to AB who the foes attack, this pretty much prevents any sort of exploitation.

C: Said injury happens to the closest commanding ally and their pokemons to the left and right side of Renny. Those farther away and those who already belong to Renny don't count.

In practicality, the item hasn't shown any sign of being overpowered at all, like Drac said. And in order for it to get anything like 30 rage in a standard situation which Drac would hate, Renny's allies would have to be hit 6 times in that turn! (And that's assuming that Togekiss isn't knocked out early in the phase, thus preventing Renny from getting rage from his allies) A really far-fetched situation that the enemies would think of focusing on those specific set of targets out of all other targets.

Thirdly, as Drac said, you already did got increased rage, and are getting a very powerful upgrade in the form of either your RDPA or your half demon upgrades.
That said, I wouldn't object to you getting a technique or item that boosted your rage generation if it was reasonably plausible and not exploitable and you were eligible to receive it as per AB's upgrade scale. Feel free to post something up a bit. Heck, I suggested giving Drac's custom demon-pokemon monster a very high power rating. It's possible that I would grant something quite useful for you.

[Dracorion]

Originally Posted by Menarker

In practicality, the item hasn't shown any sign of being overpowered at all, like Drac said. And in order for it to get anything like 30 rage in a standard situation which Drac would hate, Renny's allies would have to be hit 6 times in that turn! (And that's assuming that Togekiss isn't knocked out early in the phase, thus preventing Renny from getting rage from his allies) A really far-fetched situation that the enemies would think of focusing on those specific set of targets out of all other targets.

I didn't say 30 Rage from the item. I said 30 Rage in one turn. Renny already gets 10 Rage for having his pokemon attack, so all it takes is Renny's pokemon or his allies getting hit four times and that's not quite so far-fetched.

Originally Posted by Menarker

It's possible that I would grant something quite useful for you.

This is the part where Gem says something along the lines of "you don't get to decide what upgrades I get, bitch. I decide yours."

[Menarker]

If it helps you feel any better, the techniques Renny uses the rage for mainly directly support the team, giving them their chance to shine. ^^


Anyhow, something to discuss now that AB answered my fog question. What should we do regarding flying/attacks and defog? AB said he wouldn't allow us to use Flying attacks to attack someone and the fog again at the same time anymore, like last time.
I'm willing to spend 25 rage to have Shaymin use Divide so that extra attack goes to the fog. However, according from what AB said, we would need two more "defog" techniques. Is that right, AB?

[Dracorion]

Buh? If you use Divide, wouldn't that be two out of three needed to dispel the fog permanently*?

*permanently being until the enemy kicks it up again.

[Menarker]

The first Air Slash is being used on Toxicroak to 100% flinch him and do heavy damage to him. AB won't allow attacks that are focused on an actual target to work on the fog anymore.

Although as an alternative option, if Rachel could spend 25 rage to give Renny 25 rage, then I could have Togekiss use Divided Air Slash on the fog, making that all three needed. Then we will have Harliette's Illumise use its Helping Hand on your Palkia intead of on Moon's Starmie.
The drawback to this option is that Rachel spends 25 rage and there is a higher chance that Seviper will live. The payoff is that we get the fog dealt with for this turn.

[Dracorion]

Riiiight.

Okay, from what I understood of AB's post, the coast is clear. That is, there's no fog.

Unless the enemies decide to cover themselves up in that shit again.

[Menarker]

The coast is clear now. However, if we don't do the defog thing, then the fog will reappear at the end of this turn and we'll have to spend the next turn blind while they re-arrange their forces, with perhaps some new allies on their sides we don't know about. I'd rather be able to use Lexhur's Laser (focused on Mio) as soon as possible without having to guess who is who and that sort of thing.

AB is saying (from what I'm understanding) that maintaining the massive gusts of wind and thus makes the foes unable to set the fog back on as cover.