Pokemon Umbral Theatre 17: Happy Year's End Gratitude!

[Dracorion]

Originally Posted by Menarker

Fourthly, can we get a speed rating on the Foot Soldier to compare crit rating? Renny's Psycho Cut is an increased crit move and Renny is equipped with Razor claw for yet another Crit boost. So, if Renny is faster, he has around 50% chance of doing double damage that ignore any bonuses or debuff.

I have no idea. Neither does AB.

But it's probably something close to Renny's.

You'll find out when I make my post.

Originally Posted by Menarker

Sixthly, Shouldn't Lola spend a little rage since she is likely to get hit? Maybe have one of those Attack boosters be paid with rage and she can use something like Reflect to reduce physical damage to herself and to Renny and Togekiss. (Effects herself and 2 nearby)

Why would Reflect affect three targets?

We haven't implemented Black and White yet, that I recall.

Originally Posted by Menarker

Lastly, the foes have two evoliths despite only one engineer. ^^; Normally, there are two mechanic slots for our team anyways. I don't really see a problem. Worth asking AB though.

There's a force of HPG fighting Granzranx and who's to say one of them couldn't have built the extra Evolith beforehand?

I'll admit, I saw Gem trying to cram like thirty attacks into one turn with C,C&C and two Evoliths and I'm like WOAH SLOW DOWN MOTHERFUCKER.

Gem, show me a plan with one C,C&C and Mirror building two Evoliths and maybe I won't freak out.

Originally Posted by Geminex

How ridiculous, though? It's no different than using it once when we've got a full set of enforcers. I specifically designed it so it'd be modular like that.

By your own admission it's overpowered.

That ridiculous.

Originally Posted by Geminex

Edit:
And where does it say that devil's dance is fighting type?
I checked the document. Doesn't mention fighting type. It's a OHKO technique, why does it even need a type?

Yes it does. It's probably Almighty type, though.

[Geminex]

could be considered fighting type

Yes. It could be considered. But it was never really defined as such, was it? Even if AB let us use it as such.

I mean, it's not about my plan right now. I can change that easily enough.

What I'm trying to say is: Let's have rules. If a rule says that something is a, let it be a. If such a rule does not exist, don't arbitrarily say "but that is a!".

Devil's dance: According to the document, the rules, it's typeless. If we want to change those rules, sure. But as it is, I've used those rules. Applying rule changes retroactively kinda defeats the point of rules. Same with Evoliths. Same with CCC. Change it, by all means. But a applying that change retroactively for no good reason? Let's not get into that. We've never done it before, and come on. Is there really a need to?

By your own admission it's overpowered.

That ridiculous.

When did I say that? I wanna nerf it so I can buff Dark Ambition. I'm under-using that.

Edit:
Drac, if you were good at manipulating people, this would be the bit where you go conciliatory and implicitely challenge me when you finish your response with a "Besides, can't you compensate for that one CCC?"

[Dracorion]

I'm pretty sure AB applied the change that makes Rage Rockets not work with Prosperous Gifts, or Medics no longer being able to use Rage Rockets, or Medics having limited item availability out of nowhere.

Like I did with Evoliths. And C,C&C.

This RP, the rules, it's all a work in progress man.

Hell, I dunno if I'm right. But Impact being able to make Kurika and Whitney act three times in the same turn at most is too fucking much. This is two extra attacks, three actually, for 30 Rage. With a Stamine Boost, you know, the accessory, you'd have to pay 30 Rage for just one attack.

Hell, isn't C,C&C your Signature Sequence with Rayleen? You shouldn't be able to use it at all right now. Or did AB say you could use it without Rayleen? That would be rather unfair to all of us, though, since then you'd have two Signature Techniques where we all have one.

At any rate, it may be simpler for you to make it a Signature Sequence with Irene. But that's something you gotta talk to AB about.

I'll concede the Evoliths, so long as I still don't percieve two to be too much.

And again, feel free to appeal to AB. His RP, he's smarter to me and a better GM. I'll go by what he says.

Originally Posted by Geminex

Edit:
Drac, if you were good at manipulating people, this would be the bit where you go conciliatory and implicitely challenge me when you finish your response with a "Besides, can't you compensate for that one CCC?

No.

Originally Posted by Menarker

Also, Drac why can't Kurika have 150 rage? It's completely in keeping with the rules. 3 turns in enforcer slot while conscious = 100 rage. Second Wind adds 50 rage while breaking cap. 150 rage. Simple steps.

Because I decided before that to give you guys your 100 Rage. I'd been on the fence since I first said your Rage would be carried over.

Suspicious as it may seem, my saying you all have 100 Rage had nothing to do with Kurika.

[Geminex]

I'm pretty sure AB applied the change that makes Rage Rockets not work with Prosperous Gifts, or Medics no longer being able to use Rage Rockets, or Medics having limited item availability out of nowhere.

True. And those changes were good.
But they weren't applied retroactively. They applied to the future, not to shit that had already happened.

Look, my point is: When Renny used prosperous gifts with rage rockets, AB said 'You can't do that' pretty quickly.
But he didn't reject the plan because of it. Because, as of the time the plan was posted, that wasn't a rule yet.

It was good that it was made a rule. But it was also good that it wasn't retroactively applied. Because plans are hard enough to formulate without wondering whether a particular strategy of yours will be declared overpowered.

Bluh.

I'll accept this (like I have a choice), but I'd propose that, from now on:
When a plan is posted, those rules apply to it that were valid at the time of posting. If a rule gets changed, the change doesn't apply to the plan.

Also, we should probably make a list of all the rules (all of them). We've got enough info for a good-sized handbook, I'd bet.

[Menarker]

Originally Posted by Dracorion

Hell, isn't C,C&C your Signature Sequence with Rayleen? You shouldn't be able to use it at all right now. Or did AB say you could use it without Rayleen? That would be rather unfair to all of us, though, since then you'd have two Signature Techniques where we all have one.

AB said that it can be done without your love-partner. But having a partner alters the cost. Normally, if you're in the same team as your partner, you could split the cost between the two of you as the two of you are working as a team.

However, if your partner is NOT with you, then you have to pick up the slack they left behind to do the move, thus you have to pay for their part too. (Note that I used Prosperous Gifts several times without Lola being present.)

Otherwise, Renny would lose half his techs when AB forces Lola retires for good later on (which I have no power over).

[Dracorion]

That's not-

Menarker, when you use a Signature Sequence without your partner in the main formation, yes, you have to pay the full cost. But the partner still helps with the technique.

Like Lola showing up for Prosperous Gifts. I don't think any of us would've wanted to see Renny wrapped only in ribbons popping out of a giant gift box.

Similarly, Chizuru helping Pierce and Impact and Rayleen with C,C&C last mission.

BUT, when your partner is nowhere NEAR where you are right now, like how Rayleen is currently MIA and Impact is deep inside an enemy fortress, there is no possible way they can physically help with the Signature Sequence.

It's why Pierce hasn't used either of his right now, because he doesn't know where Shizuka and Chizuru are. Y'dig?

When Renny makes Lola pregnant, I'm fairly certain she'll still be able to help with Signature Sequences when it's reasonable for her to be able to show up, since those are just harmless short appearances.

[Geminex]

Also, guys.
If I use Stamina boost, does helping hand apply to both attacks?

Edit:
As for the sequences, I see. Sorta.
But come on, unless its explicitely stated, we really shouldn't let plot interfere with gameplay like that.
Not to mention that Impact could probably CCC on his own pretty easily.

[Dracorion]

Yes he could.

But then it'd be a Signature Tecnique. That you can't have right now. Because it'd be really easy for Pierce to have Aria and Metagross combo right now.

As for plot affecting gameplay, I'm pretty sure AB would have my back on this. Because this RP isn't entirely devoid of logic.

I'm not sure about Helping Hand. My logic sense says no. Menarker, opinions?

[Geminex]

Oh come on. Yes it is. Plot and Gameplay are in two separate rooms. We haven't linked them before, and doing so now would just be stupid. Especially after all the balancing.

Look, it'd be bullshit to require a unit to be part of the formation for the technique to work. That's the entire reason we came up with the cost-splitting.

And as long as they aren't part of the formation, it makes no difference, gameplay-wise, if they're present or hundreds of miles away. He should be able to use it, gameplay-wise. Story shouldn't influence that.

Look, I will gladly come up with an explanation for Impact's ability to use his move. But not letting someone use a technique because of arbitrary story-related shenanigans, that's just dumb.

As for Pierce, he's in plot mode right now. Plot shit affects him. We're in gameplay mode. It shouldn't affect us.

[Dracorion]

The thing is, there are no battle transitions here. Combat and plot don't happen in two separate spaces.

If Rayleen had a way of showing up inside Millenium House right now, why the hell would she only be using it to help Impact every now and then when she could be bringing in a large number of Watchmen with her instead?

AB is, I think, aware of this. If he just let shit happen without rhyme or reason, this RP would devolve into one big flaming ball of over-the-top ridiculousness.

So he maintains some form of consistency. The crazy shit we usually see is either superscience, when it comes to like how weapons work and shit, or zany character wackiness.

I'm sorry I shut you down like that. You can have Mirror construct twice, and Helping Hand can affect both attacks, though I may change it afterward if I think it's overpowered. And I'll try not to change the rules retroactively in the future.

And honest to God, if C,C&C was just a Signature Technique or if I believed it'd be okay for Rayleen to show up, I'd let you do it once.

But yeah, sorry.