Forgotten Realms Mafia!

[Ravashak]

As Bard said, that's an interesting claim, Kerensky. I'm actually tempted to try it out, if it works out, it's a nice improvement to town, if not, Kerensky's dead meat. Besides, Moogle hasn't posted yet, and while it's possible he hasn't had time to do so yet, for now, I'll humour Kerensky and:

Unvote: BahamutFlare
Vote: Moogle0119

If anyone has a better plan, though, let me know.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

Not sure what to make of Kerenskys claim to be honest. I can see it being a jester move, because I can't see why anyone else would do something like that. I mean if he was technically part of the mafia until he decides to turncoat then why do it D1? Why not wait to see who starts winning as the game goes on before jumping ship?

He also claims mafia can make 3 kills, which is, like, what?? I don't even. That seems crazily overpowered. And if that was true, then it would mean mafia would be more likely to win, so why jump to the other team immediately? I mean unless he HAS to jump sides, but really, 3 kills for one faction? I highly doubt that.

So I'm thinking either jester, or a lyncher role, seeing as he wants to get rid of Moogle first. I'm actually think it's probably closer to a lyncher role really.

[Gregness]

Yeah, if his claim is true that means there's zero downside to him trying to turn? Seems suspect. Then again, I figured IHMN in the MLP mafia would have had some power to compensate for his posting restriction then too so maybe my notion that powers have drawbacks and vice versa is somewhat misguided in regards to mafia games.

I dunno man, I just hate D1 shenanigans.

[Dracorion]

Well, you see, if it comes down to lynching someone, I'd rather get the guy who's been actively fucking with us literally since we started.

But, if he is lying, then I don't see how his plan has any long-term viability. If we kill Moogle instead of Kerensky, and Moogs turns out to be a townie, we'll just get him in D2.

He could be sacrificing himself to draw the heat off of the other scum, but it seems absurd to pull that off this early.

But it's also unlikely that what he says is true. Out of Moogle and Kerensky, Kerensky's the one who's been the most suspicious, by far. Not to mention that he's being manipulative as fuck.

Goddammit I dunno.

Unvote: Hawk.

Vote: No lynch.

Damn you Kerensky!

[Sifright]

Yea I don't believe Kerensky, I think there are ulterior motives behind what he is doing but it's a ridiculously stupid plan for a mafiatte day 1. So I think we can absolve him on that fact I just don't know what he is playing towards. Lyncher role could be possible but I don't think it matters if thats his role because does it has little bearing on the rest of the game, so killing him off if he has that role doesn't help town.

Way I see we have a few ways to deal with this situation

A) we can test Kerensky by lynching Moogle
(Given the information Kerensky has given us our optimal plan would in theory be this if he telling the truth)

B) Po scans Moogle or Kerensky or Both, we deal with them the next couple of game days.
(Safest option for avoiding mislynch as PO can investigate one or both to confirm the story and when he has all the info he needs or wants he can dump it later on in the game Cons- PO could die, takes along time to fulfill and if mafia have three kills a night we lose alot of players. .)

C) We lynch Kerensky, If his alignment shows like he said we lynch Moogle afterwards.
(If Kerensky is telling the truth We lose a potential vig and semi-waste a lynch killing a townie although we do kill the don either in the night or the next day)

at the moment I'm leaning towards C because of the way Kerensky dealt with things earlier but i'm going to unvote in the mean time it's late in the evening and I want to try and think this through better before I agree to killing some one day one this does look to be the best lead i've ever seen for legitimately lynching a person day one though.

[Sifright]

Unvote:Kerensky

[Kerensky287]

Originally Posted by Bard The 5th LW

You say scum has three night kills. If they all target you then the bodyguard will do you absolutely no good.

...I did not know that. I thought bodyguards just made you un-nightkillable.

Welp. I guess that means I'm kinda fucked regardless at this point. If you lynch me, I die. If you lynch Moogle, I die twice.

Kind of a depressing thought. Welllll... maybe there's someone with some bizarre power that could protect me from that? I dunno, it looks to me like this is obviously a power game. If anyone is genuinely for reals vanilla then feel free to pipe up but we've got 5 mafia members all of whom have powers.

Moogle: The Don
Me: Investigator
Another person: Choice of three powers, selected at the start of each day, current selection is vig
Another person: Mimic somebody else's power, has stated intention to mimc our vig
Another person: Bodyguard.

Originally Posted by IHateMakingNames

It's far more likely he wants to get lynched. But frankly I kind of want to see what happens.

...IHMN, I respect you. You DOMINATED that MLP game using only gifs to communicate. It was pretty damn impressive. So with that in mind, I'm sure you have some reason to genuinely think I want to be lynched. I'd love to hear your thought process on this.

But the way I see it, there are a couple of possibilities here, and you are going with by far the most dangerous one.

1) I'm a jester, as you suggest, and you lynch me. I win. End of story.

2) I'm a jester and you don't lynch me. I lose.

2) I'm being honest. You lynch me. You find out that I am, in fact, a Mafia Investigator, but three townies die, and even if you lynch Moogle the next day, you still have no idea who the other 3 mafiates are. I lose, so do you.

3) I'm being honest. You don't lynch me, but you don't lynch Moogle either. I'm still aligned to mafia, so I can't tell you who the others are without being GMkilled. I die overnight anyway, but the mafiates might waste a nightkill or two on me (more to be sure that I die in case of bodyguarding), so between 0-2 townies die. I lose, so do you, but less so this time.

4) I'm being honest. You lynch Moogle. You see he's the Mafia Don. I convert to Town Vig, but I die overnight anyway because the two remaining mafiates attack me. I lose, but nobody in town dies.

5) I'm being honest, you lynch moogle, and by some miracle I survive the night. 0-2 townies die, depending on the reason I survive, but I tell you the names of the three remaining mafiates, we lynch one, nightkill the other, and then have all our remaining resources to spend finding the self-aligned players.

Lynching Moogle is, far and above, the best option for town at this point. I'm dead either way, frankly.

Originally Posted by Hawk

Not sure what to make of Kerenskys claim to be honest. I can see it being a jester move, because I can't see why anyone else would do something like that. I mean if he was technically part of the mafia until he decides to turncoat then why do it D1? Why not wait to see who starts winning as the game goes on before jumping ship?

He also claims mafia can make 3 kills, which is, like, what?? I don't even. That seems crazily overpowered. And if that was true, then it would mean mafia would be more likely to win, so why jump to the other team immediately? I mean unless he HAS to jump sides, but really, 3 kills for one faction? I highly doubt that.

So I'm thinking either jester, or a lyncher role, seeing as he wants to get rid of Moogle first. I'm actually think it's probably closer to a lyncher role really.

Now that I'm not typing on a cell phone, I can explain my reasons more thoroughly.

-This is a Forgotten Realms game. There are some crazy overpowered characters in Forgotten Realms. I'm certain that somebody is Drizzt, we probably have an Elminster, we might have a Cadderly or an Entreri. Plus, Nikose is running this game; if you like, head back to the mafia game list and click Superhero Mafia. On one of the last pages, Nikose posts a full role list, and you can see the kind of bizarre shit he tends to come up with. That is what we're dealing with.

-There are 5 mafia players, including myself. We have a whopping 3 potential nightkills, assuming we're all alive, for the reasons I stated above. If Nikose tried even a little to balance Mafia with the others, then there's very likely some kind of unholy fucking horrorterror self-aligned player out there. If I stick with Mafia, I have to worry about both town lynches, town roles (which there are probably a TON of) and self-aligned bullshittery.

-If I defect on Day 1, we can kill off the Mafia by Night 2. Nikose said there would be no cult. All at once, we're down to just town + self-aligned players, and I'm sure town has at least one PO.

-My original thought process was that even if I can't force a Moogle vote, I can still get my story validated by having a Town PO scan Moogle on Night 1. If I get bodyguarded, I survive to Day 2, defect to town, and we go on to win the game handily.

-It's better to be honest from the outset than to start out lying. If I'm 100% honest 100% of the time, you have no reason to mistrust me... in an ideal world. At the very least, it makes me feel better about myself.

So that's about everything I can think of to say. If you have other theories, I'd love to hear them, either to shoot them down or just to know why the hell you think I want to be lynched. If you think I'm a jester, don't lynch me. If you believe me, don't lynch me. If you have any other reason why you think lynching is ACTUALLY a good idea, then tell me!

Also I don't know what a lyncher role is. Is it a role where you win by lynching someone? Because that seems kind of ungodly overpowered for a mafia member. If you lynch Moogle, I win, if you don't lynch Moogle, I win. Really, doing this sort of roleclaim would be the worst possible idea unless you're playing with toddlers.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

I'm in favour of lynching Kerensky. I don't believe a word he's said. 3 Kills for the mafia? C'mon, that's ridonculous for a start. Then there's simply the fact that he's planning on changing sides which doesn't make sense if mafia is as powerful as he says. Why would anyone want to change sides unless they knew they were going to lose?

It seems far more likely he's a lyncher to me at this point. He makes the claim right after Nik says the day will end early (ish), and points the finger at somebody who we have no reason to suspect other than "he's totally the mafia don guys, take my word for it. Also I'll become a town vigilante afterwards too!"

No, I'm sorry, but that is so much bullshit.

And in the unlikely event that he is telling the truth, then we'll know his role from lynching him (by his own admission he'll show up as a mafia turncoat) and then we can immediately go after Moogle the next day, or if we already have a vig, then he can hit Moogle the same night. That's 2 mafia for free straight off.

Worst case if he is telling the truth is we lose gaining a vig, but I don't think that'll happen anyway.

Unvote: Drac

Vote: Kerensky

[Kerensky287]

Oh, and for the record: I'm not an idiot. If I was a jester, I wouldn't roleclaim mafia unless, again, I was playing with toddlers. You guys are smart enough to realize what a mafia roleclaim probably means... I guess.... ow, my head. I just got turned in loops.

But I guess my point is, if you're playing jester, the way to win isn't to act like mafia. The way to win is to act like mafia who's acting like town. I know this, and thus, I would not roleclaim mafia as a jester. I would roleclaim vanilla townie, and then push against lynch bandwagons as hard as possible at random.

You guys have obviously noticed that my actions make no sense under most circumstances, but since this is Mafia, you're trained to disbelieve everybody - the truth is, what I'm doing ONLY makes sense if I'm being honest.

I'm pushing hard for a Moogle lynch. That means I get something out of lynching Moogle. And if I was a lyncher - if I'm right about what they do, that is - then I would have waited until much later in the game to make sure a lynch on Moogle would be successful. I would not have done it when I need 11 goddamn people to agree on a day 1 decision.

[IHateMakingNames]

Scummy Action 1: You made a claim that cannot be counter-claimed. Our only perceived way to believe you is to listen to what you say. What we can actually do is lynch you to verify.

Scummy Action 2: You are telling who the PO and the BG should target. This is probably a power heavy game, so we've probably got watcher and the like. You are setting up townie power roles to get fucked.

Scummy Action 3: Crazy plan and obscure power claim. With the game just started, you out yourself as scum and want everyone to follow what you say because you claim you'll turn to townie afterwords.

Dick Action 1: You are going against your alignment. It's Day 1 and you are already planning to kill the mafia as a mafia-aligned player. You say it's just against Moogle but it's damming the whole mafia.


It boils down to being a mafia plan, you're a jester, you're a lyncher, something crazy Nikose made up. What you are not is a vanilla townie or a pro-town power role. The first kills a mafia, the next two an unimportant townie, and the fourth we'll just ignore because it's not predictable. Either way killing you isn't bad for a Day 1 lynch.