Knife of Dreams (Book 11 of the 10000000 Book Series)

Magus · 09-30-2006, 11:07 PM

All joking aside, I finally got around to reading Knife of Dreams and I was pleasanty surprised. It was enjoyable. It had a good plot. It actually had a little bit of adventure and a lot of action. It was good. I never thought I'd associate that with a WoT book again, but my faith has been (somewhat) renewed

Maybe it does and maybe it does not make up for the pits that were Winter's Heart and the abominable Crossroads of Twilight, but I have to say my interests in Robert Jordan's mega-series has been reignited and I eagerly await the 3000 page 12th novel A Memory of Light he claims will wrap up the main series of The Wheel of Time.

Anyway, anyone else's thoughts? I'm probably behind on the times, not reading it until now...

Eltargrim · 10-01-2006, 12:21 AM

My thoughts?

Give me some god-damned closure!

I've read them all! I even went and read the prequel material! Now just let it end!

*dissolves into a quivering mass*

Fifthfiend · 10-01-2006, 12:29 AM

Wasn't Wheel of Time supposed to be like ten books long? Those things are like a thousand words long, too.

I mean damn, how many hours of people's lives does this guy think he is entitled to?

My Name's Not Warren · 10-01-2006, 12:39 AM

Hey everybody it's goddamn Wandering Marblehead Whale Biologist Johnson Wombat McDumbass, and I can't goddamn take a hint.

Fifthfiend · 10-01-2006, 12:54 AM

le sigh.

greed · 10-01-2006, 12:59 AM

I think I heard a quote from Jordan somewhere that 12 is going to be the last book if it has to be thousands of pages long.

And yeah it is a marked improvement over the last half a dozen or so books. haven't read that in a while, might go through that series next.

gurusloth · 10-01-2006, 02:00 AM

I could see him wrapping it up in two more books. But just one more? I think it would feel really, really rushed by comparison. So, yeah. I'll read it for sure, though, either way.

Really, I just want Rand and his Hundred Companions (that being the 50 male and 50 female god-awful powerful channelers available from all sides, including Seanchan, Athan Miere, White Tower, Black Tower, etc.) to rediscover flying, then swoop through the blight leaving a wake of black ash twenty miles wide, land at the Pit of Doom, and, like, obliterate it with an orbital Balefire beam.

I dunno, something good like that.

Magus · 10-01-2006, 01:25 PM

It must be something epic along those lines, because from whatever interview I read that said he was going to get it done in Book 12 whether it takes 3000 pages, he's had the ending scenes since before he started in mind. So it better be freaking epic at this point.

My thoughts on this is that perhaps Rand will break the Wheel of Time himself by using balefire on the Dark One, to end the endless cycle of the Bore being opened and resealed. That'd be epic. So yeah, definitely an orbital balefire beam and crap. Something epic that will make reading the twelve books worth it! Especially for some of the people who've been reading them since 1991.

Tiako · 10-02-2006, 07:41 PM

Brian Jordan promised that there would only be one more book in this cycle, even if it takes him three years and 2,000 pages.

On the whole, I think he spend too much time in the first half dicking around, but he closed quite a few plots at the second half.

What I really look forward to is Jordan setting a new WoT series in a different cycle, maybe during the Trolloc Wars, or even better, during the Conquest of Seanchan.

However, I think that all in all, David Farland may have the superior book series with Runelords. The Runelords has one of the few truly original magic systems, while Jordan's system has been copied so many times (Perhaps most notably my that noteworthy hack Terry Goodkind) it is even getting a bit overdone from him. And The Runelords had four books in it and was done. Oh, and his characters didn't whine nearly as much.

I hope that eventually we can have a series that can truly rival Tolkien. I'm not holding y breath, by the way.

I'm still looking forward to the last book quite a bit (Maybe Egwene will die. Seriously, that would make my life she does). I like the characters enough that I even enjoyed Crossroads of Twilight, though I must say that when I finished I wondered if anything actually happened.

Magus · 10-02-2006, 11:49 PM

Nothing happened. Everyone wandered around almost aimlessly for 800 pages until Egwene got captured, much to our general amusement. Stupid Egwene.

This Runelords is very intriguing, it sounds pretty good, the magic is unique like you said, and it's getting a movie made based on the series so it must have some stuff going for it.

Back to WoT, it's getting a movie made for it too (supposedly), but I bet it'll be a b-movie fest of epic proportions, since it's been acquired by some Jordan conglomerate called Red Eagle Entertainment. No New Line Cinemas, these people. As for prequels, Jordan says he wants to write some, if he lives (he has blood amyloidosis, which is almost always a chronic illness, apparently), and the Conquest of Seanchan always interested me as much as a novel about The War of the Shadow's various exploits.

EDIT: Oh, and the generic monsters in Runelords are giant insects, and as a Starship Troopers fan and various other giant insect fantasy and science fiction fan, it makes me feel all warm and tingly on the inside.

ANOTHER EDIT: Oh, and why do all of these fantasy novels have such atrocious cover artwork? Is it a conspiracy? All of Jordan's are fairly terrible and this Runelords doesn't look much better...

09-30-2006, 11:07 PM	#1
Magus Archer and Armstrong vs. the World Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 7,164	Knife of Dreams (Book 11 of the 10000000 Book Series) All joking aside, I finally got around to reading Knife of Dreams and I was pleasanty surprised. It was enjoyable. It had a good plot. It actually had a little bit of adventure and a lot of action. It was good. I never thought I'd associate that with a WoT book again, but my faith has been (somewhat) renewed Maybe it does and maybe it does not make up for the pits that were Winter's Heart and the abominable Crossroads of Twilight, but I have to say my interests in Robert Jordan's mega-series has been reignited and I eagerly await the 3000 page 12th novel A Memory of Light he claims will wrap up the main series of The Wheel of Time. Anyway, anyone else's thoughts? I'm probably behind on the times, not reading it until now...

10-01-2006, 12:21 AM	#2
Eltargrim Fifty-Talents Haversham Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: FABULOUS Posts: 1,904	My thoughts? Give me some god-damned closure! I've read them all! I even went and read the prequel material! Now just let it end! dissolves into a quivering mass __________________ <Insert witticism here; get credit; ???; profit!>

10-01-2006, 12:29 AM	#3
Fifthfiend for all seasons Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 19,409	Wasn't Wheel of Time supposed to be like ten books long? Those things are like a thousand words long, too. I mean damn, how many hours of people's lives does this guy think he is entitled to? __________________ check out my buttspresso

10-01-2006, 12:54 AM	#5
Fifthfiend for all seasons Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 19,409	le sigh. __________________ check out my buttspresso

10-01-2006, 02:00 AM	#7
gurusloth Master of muthafu�%in' invisibility Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 1,224	I could see him wrapping it up in two more books. But just one more? I think it would feel really, really rushed by comparison. So, yeah. I'll read it for sure, though, either way. Really, I just want Rand and his Hundred Companions (that being the 50 male and 50 female god-awful powerful channelers available from all sides, including Seanchan, Athan Miere, White Tower, Black Tower, etc.) to rediscover flying, then swoop through the blight leaving a wake of black ash twenty miles wide, land at the Pit of Doom, and, like, obliterate it with an orbital Balefire beam. I dunno, something good like that. __________________ Mashirosen: I personally will not rest until I have turned NPF into ___________I"My Little Pony Collector's E-Snuggle Social Club - No Boys Allowed"

10-01-2006, 12:39 AM	#4
My Name's Not Warren Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Here. Posts: 2	Hey everybody it's goddamn Wandering Marblehead Whale Biologist Johnson Wombat McDumbass, and I can't goddamn take a hint.

10-01-2006, 01:25 PM	#8
Magus Archer and Armstrong vs. the World Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 7,164	It must be something epic along those lines, because from whatever interview I read that said he was going to get it done in Book 12 whether it takes 3000 pages, he's had the ending scenes since before he started in mind. So it better be freaking epic at this point. My thoughts on this is that perhaps Rand will break the Wheel of Time himself by using balefire on the Dark One, to end the endless cycle of the Bore being opened and resealed. That'd be epic. So yeah, definitely an orbital balefire beam and crap. Something epic that will make reading the twelve books worth it! Especially for some of the people who've been reading them since 1991.

10-02-2006, 07:41 PM	#9
Tiako FREEEEDOOOOM! Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 286	Brian Jordan promised that there would only be one more book in this cycle, even if it takes him three years and 2,000 pages. On the whole, I think he spend too much time in the first half dicking around, but he closed quite a few plots at the second half. What I really look forward to is Jordan setting a new WoT series in a different cycle, maybe during the Trolloc Wars, or even better, during the Conquest of Seanchan. However, I think that all in all, David Farland may have the superior book series with Runelords. The Runelords has one of the few truly original magic systems, while Jordan's system has been copied so many times (Perhaps most notably my that noteworthy hack Terry Goodkind) it is even getting a bit overdone from him. And The Runelords had four books in it and was done. Oh, and his characters didn't whine nearly as much. I hope that eventually we can have a series that can truly rival Tolkien. I'm not holding y breath, by the way. I'm still looking forward to the last book quite a bit (Maybe Egwene will die. Seriously, that would make my life she does). I like the characters enough that I even enjoyed Crossroads of Twilight, though I must say that when I finished I wondered if anything actually happened. __________________ Red Mage: Every time there's an invasion by monster warlords, or an end of the world, they look for people like us. Black Mage: Well, not like us. Red Mage: Granted. Thief: Obviously.

10-02-2006, 11:49 PM	#10
Magus Archer and Armstrong vs. the World Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 7,164	Nothing happened. Everyone wandered around almost aimlessly for 800 pages until Egwene got captured, much to our general amusement. Stupid Egwene. This Runelords is very intriguing, it sounds pretty good, the magic is unique like you said, and it's getting a movie made based on the series so it must have some stuff going for it. Back to WoT, it's getting a movie made for it too (supposedly), but I bet it'll be a b-movie fest of epic proportions, since it's been acquired by some Jordan conglomerate called Red Eagle Entertainment. No New Line Cinemas, these people. As for prequels, Jordan says he wants to write some, if he lives (he has blood amyloidosis, which is almost always a chronic illness, apparently), and the Conquest of Seanchan always interested me as much as a novel about The War of the Shadow's various exploits. EDIT: Oh, and the generic monsters in Runelords are giant insects, and as a Starship Troopers fan and various other giant insect fantasy and science fiction fan, it makes me feel all warm and tingly on the inside. ANOTHER EDIT: Oh, and why do all of these fantasy novels have such atrocious cover artwork? Is it a conspiracy? All of Jordan's are fairly terrible and this Runelords doesn't look much better... Last edited by Magus; 10-02-2006 at 11:55 PM.