FFD6: The Dicening: The Discussion: Lucky 7 - Page 8

Riin Whitewind · 03-07-2011, 03:18 AM

All of my Thunder spells are powerful ones, thank you.

Menarker · 03-07-2011, 05:32 AM

Alternatively, we could try casting enhancing the melee attacker's weapons with holiness. That would probably spare the ring.

Of course, I'm curious to see if Bello would succeed decently enough. If I wasn't a 1 cha android, I might think that zombie had a chance to be negotiated with...

Geminex · 03-07-2011, 10:31 AM

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Making that check requires him to roll a 10 or higher on 2d6. That's a one in six chance. THAT'S PRETTY LOW.

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He makes a strength check, with a target number of thirteen (Cause that's just how Lock is). He has 10 STR, and he rolls 2d6. He adds the result to his strength. If the end result is equal or higher, he succeeds, if not, he fails.

At least that's the way I interpret it. I'm not sure where you get a target number of 10, but I'm kinda sleep-deprived now, so maybe I'm horribly horribly wrong.

phil_ · 03-07-2011, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Geminex

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He makes a strength check, with a target number of thirteen (Cause that's just how Lock is). He has 10 STR, and he rolls 2d6. He adds the result to his strength. If the end result is equal or higher, he succeeds, if not, he fails.

At least that's the way I interpret it. I'm not sure where you get a target number of 10, but I'm kinda sleep-deprived now, so maybe I'm horribly horribly wrong.

Actually, one adds the dice roll to one's attribute rating in attribute checks. So, since 10 Strength gives a Strength rating of 3, Bub needs to roll a ten to hit 13.

Geminex · 03-07-2011, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Geminex

I'm horribly horribly wrong.

Contingencies: I plan for them.

I see. Thanks, I had somehow totally missed that. Though, to be fair, the manual says almost nothing about game mechanics, and I'm not familiar with role-playing systems like this.

Allright, Mauve. Apparently Elsa's only spell is useful after all and you went through all that emotional trauma for nothing! = D

Though in that case, Lock should be nerfed. 2 mana, effectively stopping and immobilizing a humanoid enemy? That's a lot. Particularly since this isn't a status spell, so there's no opposed charisma check. And the only enemies who have a good chance of breaking it are those with 18 or more strength, or 6 ranks in escapse. It was fine when 6 strength would give you an even chance of breaking out, but if the attribute check is for the rating, then this spell is stronger than most first or even second-level spells.

Edit: Or MAYBE I am just being super-silly, but this seems powerful. Should it be?

mauve · 03-07-2011, 02:31 PM

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Though in that case, Lock should be nerfed. 2 mana, effectively stopping and immobilizing a humanoid enemy? That's a lot. Particularly since this isn't a status spell, so there's no opposed charisma check. And the only enemies who have a good chance of breaking it are those with 18 or more strength, or 6 ranks in escapse. It was fine with 6 strength would give you an even chance of breaking out, but the attribute check is for the rating, then this spell is stronger than most first or even second-level spells.

GEM WILL YOU STOP TRYING TO RUIN ELSA'S ONLY SPELL?

Geminex · 03-07-2011, 02:42 PM

NEVER

YOUR MISERY NOURISHES ME

EDIT:
KRYLO HAS TAUGHT ME WELL

Teal Mage · 03-07-2011, 07:10 PM

Lock isn't weak, but it isn't terribly powerful either. For one, it doesn't scale with level. Additionally, It doesn't work on Large enemies, and I believe Small enemies get Escape roll bonuses on checks like this - effective targets are limited. The only nerf that seems fair would be the ability to add your character's Athletic Score to their Strength rating when trying to escape.

Sure, the spell discriminates against mages, but most stat spells discriminate against everything that doesn't have Cha. Considering that Stat is, according to the book anyway, mostly fluff, not many of our players have been inclined to use it. Having one spell that's designed to screw Low-Strength Characters seems fair.

Not to mention it can be reflected, and doesn't build into any new spells either. Pretty situational, over all.

Menarker · 03-07-2011, 07:19 PM

Also, it's one of the few viable spells that a Dark Knight CAN have.

Seriously, one of the things that Dark Knights do is to physically hit things and hard. Spells like Lock make it easier to do that. Otherwise, if black magic was just CHA status spells and bolt type spells (which merely does damage, which Dark Knights already do but differently), then they aren't really a seperate class of themselves, but armored black mages. Spells like Lock make them viable melee classes and ensure their magic still have some use even if the character was not made to be very high in INT or CHA.

So I think it's overall fair.

Of course, being hit by a Lock from the enemy side will still be a pain in the ass.

Bard The 5th LW · 03-07-2011, 09:38 PM

Whelp lets ready the battle plans.

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Teal Mage Political Studies Student Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Canada! Posts: 1,577	Lock isn't weak, but it isn't terribly powerful either. For one, it doesn't scale with level. Additionally, It doesn't work on Large enemies, and I believe Small enemies get Escape roll bonuses on checks like this - effective targets are limited. The only nerf that seems fair would be the ability to add your character's Athletic Score to their Strength rating when trying to escape. Sure, the spell discriminates against mages, but most stat spells discriminate against everything that doesn't have Cha. Considering that Stat is, according to the book anyway, mostly fluff, not many of our players have been inclined to use it. Having one spell that's designed to screw Low-Strength Characters seems fair. Not to mention it can be reflected, and doesn't build into any new spells either. Pretty situational, over all. __________________ I'm always available to chat on AIM and Skype/MSN, so if you've like to speak further with me about anything I say, or just address something to me personally, feel free to add me. I welcome such conversations. Also obligatory signature!

03-07-2011, 07:19 PM	#79
Menarker OMG! WHAT SHOULD I DO NOW? Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 3,802	Also, it's one of the few viable spells that a Dark Knight CAN have. Seriously, one of the things that Dark Knights do is to physically hit things and hard. Spells like Lock make it easier to do that. Otherwise, if black magic was just CHA status spells and bolt type spells (which merely does damage, which Dark Knights already do but differently), then they aren't really a seperate class of themselves, but armored black mages. Spells like Lock make them viable melee classes and ensure their magic still have some use even if the character was not made to be very high in INT or CHA. So I think it's overall fair. Of course, being hit by a Lock from the enemy side will still be a pain in the ass. __________________ THE BIO OF RENNY TRESSERHORN THE BIOs OF POKEMON UMBRAL!

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Geminex SOM3WH3R3 Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 4,606	NEVER YOUR MISERY NOURISHES ME EDIT: KRYLO HAS TAUGHT ME WELL

03-07-2011, 09:38 PM	#80
Bard The 5th LW Feelin' Super! Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 4,191	Whelp lets ready the battle plans.