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Unread 04-27-2011, 03:13 AM   #51
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Other movies I HATE: Irreversible and Seul contre tous. Gaspar Noé is such a gross hack. His movies are what a very smug, unusually skilled teenager in a morbid phase would do.

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More like anything written sufficientely long ago is a classic.
You didn't say it isn't good because it's old (which is true); you said it's Twilight because it's popular and not critically successful (which is dubious, especially when you're talking about periods populated with critics who wore monocles just so they could make them pop out when they're shocked, shocked, I say.)

Émile Zola isn't Stephanie Meyer (or Gaspar Noé.)

I dare say that Jack Sparrow sustained a full movie, plus the scene with the crabs in the third one. And I really feel cheated out of a real naval battle by that same film. Why spend at least half an hour on bringing out all of the damn pirates if they're just going to watch?
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Unread 04-27-2011, 03:54 AM   #52
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The mid 19th century was when modern criticism really started to form. But the critics who hate it range the spectrum from then to now because it is pulpy action adventure- it was designed to be that, it was written to be that and that's what it is. A better comparision would be Dan Brown but I just like saying twilight.

As for POTC I didn't see the sequels cause I didn't like the first one so can't comment onthem but I really did get bored by Sparrow pretty quickly, he was played as a character with massive charisma and I just didn't really feel it.
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As for POTC I didn't see the sequels cause I didn't like the first one so can't comment onthem but I really did get bored by Sparrow pretty quickly, he was played as a character with massive charisma and I just didn't really feel it.
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I just remembered I couldn't make it past the first ten minutes of Shoot 'Em Up, so I think it counts as a movie that I hate.

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As for POTC I didn't see the sequels cause I didn't like the first one
Considering how many people who liked the first one disliked the sequels, maybe you should give it a try! He he hee.

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Started being the operative word. And I suppose "to form" is also an important bit. The main guidelines for criticism from what I've seen was still, for a lot of critics, a very narrow (to us) conception of artistic conventions and of good taste.

But anyway, I'm not saying that The Three Musketeers was great literature, I'm saying that critics disliking it then and people liking it then is really bad critera.

And I guess I'm also saying that equating anything meant as popular entertainment to shite like Twilight and Dan Brown (durp durp antimatter durp illuminati) is kind of... offensive? I mean, past a certain point, the snob shtick stops being shtick.

And there can be such a thing as "classics of popular entertainment." And adaptations can do a disservice to a popular entertainment source material as well as to anything else. Anyway, that's all I have to say on that tangent.

The devil playing Tim Curry playing the Cardinal of Richelieu was pretty choice, though.
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Unread 04-27-2011, 04:25 AM   #55
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The main guidelines for criticism from what I've seen was still, for a lot of critics, a very narrow (to us) conception of artistic conventions and of good taste.
Also balls. Don't forget testicles. They crucified Frankenstein for being written by someone "having the unbelievable gall to be a woman" as Cracked once put it. . .

Not quite sure why I brought that up, except there's no bad time to ever bring it up.
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Unread 04-27-2011, 04:51 AM   #56
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I just remembered I couldn't make it past the first ten minutes of Shoot 'Em Up, so I think it counts as a movie that I hate.



Considering how many people who liked the first one disliked the sequels, maybe you should give it a try! He he hee.



Started being the operative word. And I suppose "to form" is also an important bit. The main guidelines for criticism from what I've seen was still, for a lot of critics, a very narrow (to us) conception of artistic conventions and of good taste.

But anyway, I'm not saying that The Three Musketeers was great literature, I'm saying that critics disliking it then and people liking it then is really bad critera.

And I guess I'm also saying that equating anything meant as popular entertainment to shite like Twilight and Dan Brown (durp durp antimatter durp illuminati) is kind of... offensive? I mean, past a certain point, the snob shtick stops being shtick.

And there can be such a thing as "classics of popular entertainment." And adaptations can do a disservice to a popular entertainment source material as well as to anything else. Anyway, that's all I have to say on that tangent.

The devil playing Tim Curry playing the Cardinal of Richelieu was pretty choice, though.

What I'm saying is that the Musketeers trilogy and really all of Dumas work is very much stock-standard, it does not innovate, it does not change the game, it was very much similar to hundreds of other books written at the same time and through quirks of fate became popular, mostly through its own fame- I would say the same thing about Twilight or Dan Brown, they are very similar to lots and lots of other books and their success is not due to any inherent difference of themselves but their own fame. I think this comparision is apt, I can go out and find you 100 books written around the time of the Da Vinci code which are pretty similar, I can find you 100 books written around the time of d'Artagnan books which are pretty similar. It was one of a series of books that really profited from the explosion in fame and interest in novels in the 19th century and the burgeoning celebrity culture.
I just think a "classic" should be a gamechanger, should be innovative and not simply popular because it was popular- it is still an importnat part of literary history but not for purely literary reasons.
Though to be fair I say similar things about vast swathes of the "classical" lexicon so it is more a case of everyone being wrong but me.
This is a pretty ridiculous side argument though.

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Considering how many people who liked the first one disliked the sequels, maybe you should give it a try! He he hee.
Won't this mean I really really hate it though.

Another film I hate, Superman 1 (and sequels). Lots of people seem to think this is a good movie. Normally I can understand why people like a film I don't like but this one baffles me. I have no idea why people like this movie.

Edit: It's got 94 on RT, 88 on metacritci- holy shit.
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Unread 04-27-2011, 05:22 AM   #57
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My guess is they haven't read All-Star Superman and so don't know what a good Superman story looks like.
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I really can't hate the first Superman movie, mostly on account of the cast, but also can't really like it.

It's like the tagline "You will believe a man can fly" contained an unspoken promise: you'll believe a man can fly, but it's really the only thing you'll believe. A less cartoonish treatment at the end of the movie would have made a huge difference, but I suppose in those days it was unthinkable to play comic book material straight.
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I would have preferred it to be cartoony. Then something might have actually happened. The first two hours very little happens. If it was a cartoon superman would have been punching baddies and exploding mountains in this time.
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What? Who doesn't like the first two Superman movies? Those movies are right up there on my top ten. For me it goes: Empire Strikes Back, Superman I & II, Dragonslayer. Superman is without a doubt, the greatest comic book movie ever made and one the best movies of all time. Until we get a live-action rendition of Silver Age Superman.

Holy shit. What if Snyder actually did that? Could you imagine how fucking crazy it would be if it were a perfect rendition of classic Superman comics?!

Back to the topic at hand, I really don't like Shallow Hal. And I know a lot of people who do. And this bothers me.
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