Pokemon Umbral Discussion 37: You Don't Want To Enter This Thread

[Menarker]

Glad to know that my advice about Mismagius seems to have been appreciated. ^^

Originally Posted by Geminex

In short, the primary class attacks, the secondary class(es) support it. I'm not sure how, exactly, but I'm thinking that it either acts as a basic attack-strength increase, gives extra Stab, gives extra status effects, or a combination of the three.

I would probably object to this simply because Renny as I'm building him is not primarily a pokemon trainer later on if we judge using upgrade charts, but he'd use all his abilities, directly fighting or pokemon fighting as much as feasible.

If anything, my build is going to be (in no particular order of levels and subject to change):
Pokemon Breeder 1 (6 levels of Pokemon Trainer)
Pokebrid 1 (1 level of Pokebrid)
Overblade 3 (8 levels of Slayer)

If anything, you could say that as Renny is growing up, he is hiding behind his pokemons less and less (out of actually having the ability to contribute on his own merits) but still trust them to defend him and his loved ones. And no, I'm not having him go Half-Demon at all. I'll leave that to Pierce/Impact and anyone else.

Meh. I just don't like it. Maybe I just prefer being able to fight at the same time as my pokemon, is that so wrong?

Not wrong at all! I totally want to have Renny do that myself.

Originally Posted by Armored Bishoujo
EDIT: Now that I think about it, I feel the Trainers could do other things besides attack as a free action instead of deal small damage to the enemy. And I might as well let the PCs come up with it. Charlotte could have a Trainer skill called Kick the Doggy that deals a little damage to her target Pokemon and buffs it's damage and critical hit rate for that turn.

Awesome. ^^ However, trying to think what sort of effect Renny cheering up his pokemon might have, especially if it only targets his pokemon and its effect should be "minor". I'd be hesitant to have it do anything that would duplicate an effect of a move such as Safeguard or Haze (even if its single-target).

And before any of you say it... no, Renny the "Love Freak" is not going to be using the improved infatuation, Love! He doesn't believe that bewitchment equals real love or compassion!

EDIT: Drac, maybe think less about how Pierce (or anyone else) would respond to his pokemons, but how they specifically trained them? For example, I could imagine that Charlotte with her pack of hound-dogs could have "trained" them to chase and pursue their targets, leading her targets running away toward a designated location... like in her waiting hands. In-game, that could translate to her "Trainer Tactic" being to have her pokemons chase and scare foes into moving to a different location, thus altering the enemy formation, making it better for us to use AOE attacks on them.

Someone who train several bird pokemons could train them to constantly divebomb and swoop at a particular target sequentially, thus hampering their ability to aim properly. In game, this can translate to an accuracy drop on the foe's part.

I guess with Renny, Togekiss with his blessed charm, Swampert's natural vitality, Mollesk heavy armor, Umbreon's resilient defense, Magnezone's steel body and Shaymin's natural purity could all translate to a sort of insight to resisting status conditions or something like that...

[Astral Harmony]

About Love: I always kind of figured that Domination was the buffed up form of Infatuation. But I suppose we could do some lovey dovey crap as well.

About a Harem: Pierce can not use Love to make women sleep with him. The same with Impact's domination powers.

However, I will allow you to have funny dreams about catching women as Pokemon and making them use moves for your own twisted desires...

Pierce: "Here it comes! Chizuru, use Swallow!"
Chizuru: *uses Crunch instead*
Pierce: "Critical...hit. It's super...effective..." *passes out*
*Pierce wakes up*
Pierce: "Maybe she'll do what I say if I collect some gym badges."

Moving right along, now...

About Plasmaburn: Plasmaburn was kind of a one-time thing. Cerulean Wildfire's one ace in the hole, if you will. It may see a return (actually, I'm damn certain of it), and yes, it does reduce attack by 50%.

About Trainer Action: Trainer Attack will now hence be referred to as Trainer Action, and don't be concerned if you can't come up with any for the Trainer him/herself. You could always have your love interest do something.

About PC Battle Masters: I agree that all three units should attack, so let's work on something together. Our main concern is Geminex. No, I'm not being insulting for once in my life, he does a good job in promoting balance.

I think the best way to make it happen is to reserve it only for PCs who...oh, have five ranks in both Trainer and Slayer. We'll start off from that and work our way to a better suggestion.

[Dracorion]

Originally Posted by Menarker

I would probably object to this simply because Renny as I'm building him is not primarily a pokemon trainer later on if we judge using upgrade charts, but he'd use all his abilities, directly fighting or pokemon fighting as much as feasible.

If anything, my build is going to be (in no particular order of levels and subject to change):
Pokemon Breeder 1 (6 levels of Pokemon Trainer)
Pokebrid 1 (1 level of Pokebrid)
Overblade 3 (8 levels of Slayer)

... What, seriously?

Originally Posted by Menarker

Awesome. ^^ However, trying to think what sort of effect Renny cheering up his pokemon might have, especially if it only targets his pokemon and its effect should be "minor". I'd be hesitant to have it do anything that would duplicate an effect of a move such as Safeguard or Haze (even if its single-target).

Minor stat boost, perhaps some healing?

Originally Posted by Menarker

And before any of you say it... no, Renny the "Love Freak" is not going to be using the improved infatuation, Love! He doesn't believe that bewitchment equals real love or compassion!

But I wonder how many people will use it on Renny, hmm?

Originally Posted by Menarker

EDIT: Drac, maybe think less about how Pierce (or anyone else) would respond to his pokemons, but how they specifically trained them? For example, I could imagine that Charlotte with her pack of hound-dogs could have "trained" them to chase and pursue their targets, leading her targets running away toward a designated location... like in her waiting hands. In-game, that could translate to her "Trainer Tactic" being to have her pokemons chase and scare foes into moving to a different location, thus altering the enemy formation, making it better for us to use AOE attacks on them.

Hmmm... Maybe Pierce could tell his pokemon to "combine" their attacks, adding a little extra oomph to each pokemon's attack.

Originally Posted by Armored Bishoujo

About Love: I always kind of figured that Domination was the buffed up form of Infatuation. But I suppose we could do some lovey dovey crap as well

Domination... doesn't really make sense like that. One thing is making an opponent get a hard-on for you. Another thing entirely is breaking their will utterly through means that don't necessarily include seduction.

Originally Posted by Armored Bishoujo

About a Harem: Pierce can not use Love to make women sleep with him. The same with Impact's domination powers.

I'll admit, the thought did cross my mind. But I would never cheat like that. No, when I get my harem (note: when), it'll be perfectly legitimate.

Originally Posted by Armored Bishoujo

However, I will allow you to have funny dreams about catching women as Pokemon and making them use moves for your own twisted desires...

Pierce: "Here it comes! Chizuru, use Swallow!"
Chizuru: *uses Crunch instead*
Pierce: "Critical...hit. It's super...effective..." *passes out*
*Pierce wakes up*
Pierce: "Maybe she'll do what I say if I collect some gym badges."

Pierce is already going to have those, actually.

Y'know, minus the Crunching.

Originally Posted by Armored Bishoujo

About Trainer Action: Trainer Attack will now hence be referred to as Trainer Action, and don't be concerned if you can't come up with any for the Trainer him/herself. You could always have your love interest do something.

Hmmmmm...

Originally Posted by Armored Bishoujo

About PC Battle Masters: I agree that all three units should attack, so let's work on something together. Our main concern is Geminex. No, I'm not being insulting for once in my life, he does a good job in promoting balance.

I think the best way to make it happen is to reserve it only for PCs who...oh, have five ranks in both Trainer and Slayer. We'll start off from that and work our way to a better suggestion.

What does this mean, exactly? That until someone has five ranks in Slayer and Trainer they have to function like Geminex's suggestion, and after they can function the way Battle Masters do now?

[Menarker]

Originally Posted by Dracorion

*Renny's upgrade List*

... What, seriously?

Yes, seriously. Is there something you think is a problem tactically? Or you just shocked that all along you thought Renny would be a complete Pokemon Breeder and that turned out to be totally false? ^,^

But I wonder how many people will use it on Renny, hmm?

I admit, there is something to that line of thought that is 3 parts intriguing, 2 parts worrisome and 5 parts hardcore.

About PC Battle Masters: I agree that all three units should attack, so let's work on something together. Our main concern is Geminex. No, I'm not being insulting for once in my life, he does a good job in promoting balance.

What does this mean, exactly? That until someone has five ranks in Slayer and Trainer they have to function like Geminex's suggestion, and after they can function the way Battle Masters do now?

I'm confused too. Does this imply that those who hit level 5 trainer or slayers effectively become Shock Troopers and the Battle Master and both pokemons can attack at the same time? Or am I misunderstanding something? Although, I'd feel that waiting until level 10 at earliest is a bit late, since it taken a long time to reach this point and we're only at level 4. I'd probably push for 4, maybe 3 levels of Slayer and Trainer.

Hmmm... I need a new title for my triple classing. :3 Although AB did suggest Red Mage as in "Renny the Red Mage" quite a long time ago as a joke due to the immense diversity that is similar to our infamous 8bit example of Red Mage. (Not actually thinking that seriously yet.)

[Dracorion]

Originally Posted by Menarker

Yes, seriously. Is there something you think is a problem tactically? Or you just shocked that all along you thought Renny would be a complete Pokemon Breeder and that turned out to be totally false? ^,^

No.

Anyway, who am I to complain? I need to discuss this with Geminex, but I may just have Pierce go Slayer 1 and Full Demon 2.

No, that would not mean Renny will eventually be a better fighter than Pierce.

[Menarker]

Originally Posted by Dracorion

No, that would not mean Renny will eventually be a better fighter than Pierce.

That remains to be seen. Renny might become a better fighter in a technical sense, although Pierce might have more "strength/power" in terms of his demonic heritage. It really remains to be seen, since the demon upgrades have not been fleshed out in any manner aside from the first level.

[Dracorion]

Maybe I'm not making myself clear.

"Not a snowball's chance in hell."

Anyway, your triple class should be called something like War Monger. Yes, I know it's the exact opposite of Renny, BUT, class names aren't supposed to cater to a specific character. They're supposed to apply generally, y'know?

[Menarker]

Adding one rank of pokebrid turns a War God/dess into a Warmonger?

Let's see the rankings so far...

Normal Classes:
Pokemon Trainer and Slayer makes you a Battle Master. (Tons of examples)
Pokemon Trainer and Pokebrid makes you a Legion Mage. (Rachel and Whitney)
Pokebrid and Slayer makes you a Pokesoldier. (Melanie.)

Slayer and Snagger makes you a Battle Rogue (AB proposed NPC)

No demon classes exist yet ingame except for the Kimonos who still count as Battle Masters.
No snagger classes exist yet ingame.

Upgraded Classes:

Pokemon Breeders and Overblades become War God/dess (Upgraded Battle Master)
Devas and Pokemon Breeders become ???. (No examples. Upgraded form of Legion Mage)
Devas and Overblades become ???. (Upgraded form of Pokesoldier)

No one has triple classed yet with either the basic classes or the upgraded classes.

[Dracorion]

Originally Posted by Menarker

Adding one rank of pokebrid turns a War God/dess into a Warmonger?

Yes.

Let's see the rankings so far...

Originally Posted by Menarker

Normal Classes:
Pokemon Trainer and Slayer makes you a Battle Master. (Tons of examples)
Pokemon Trainer and Pokebrid makes you a Legion Mage. (Rachel and Whitney)
Pokebrid and Slayer makes you a ???. (No one has become a Slayer and Pokebrid yet.)

No demon classes exist yet ingame except for the Kimonos who still count as Battle Masters.
No snagger classes exist yet ingame.

Upgraded Classes:

Pokemon Breeders and Overblades become War God/dess (Upgraded Battle Master)
Devas and Overblades become Pokesoldiers. (Upgraded form of ???)
Devas and Pokebrids become ???. (No examples. Upgraded form of Legion Mage)

Actually, Melanie's a Slayer/Pokebrid, not Overblade/Deva. So what we don't know is what Deva/Overblades are called. Slayer/Pokebrids are Pokesoldiers.

Also, I assume when you say Devas and Pokebrids you mean Devas and Breeders.

Anyway, remember when AB first posted the characters that would make up the Crosswald Crusaders? One of them was a Battle Rogue (Slayer/Snagger).

Originally Posted by Menarker

No one has opted for triple classing yet with either the basic classes or the upgraded classes.

What's your point?

[Menarker]

I was listing the rankings thus far, and edited it with your comments.

I was basically noting that anyone who is a pokebrid and a trainer gains the classification of a Mage. Although a slayer and a pokebrid becomes a Soldier. Trying to think if there is a logical title for the combination of the two (triple-classing), aside from Red Mage.