Pokemon Umbral Theatre 1: Where All the Lurkers...Ah...Lurk

[Menarker]

Originally Posted by Geminex

And AB's solution is better, since you're getting the stuff more gradually, but trainers are still getting a buff.
So AB, what are Slayers and Brids gonna get in return? Cause they have to get something. I... insist.

I should probably mention Gem that if you ask for that, then my character will get double the amount of stuff since I'm branching out into pokebrid (for only 1 level which may not count) and Slayer for 8 (which is sure to give me a few of those). With 6 level of breeders and 8 levels of Slayers, Renny would have... lots of options as opposed to if it only applied to Breeder levels.

Just giving this heads up, so you don't think I'm being silent and taking advantage. Not that I'd mind at all! Just saying.

Although, AB suggestion is good so it's not all gained at once. At this point, Charlotte, Pierce and Renny would only have 2 such moves.

[Dracorion]

Originally Posted by Armored Bishoujo

The NPC Snagger recruited during Mission 4 will actually be this class. I'm not certain how badly a Trainer/Snagger dual class will actually be in relation to other dual classes. I guess we'll both find out when we see her performance in battle.

Eh, it can't be worse than a pure Snagger.

Also, I imagine it wouldn't be that great. You said NPCs don't get all the cool stuff us PCs do like custom items, custom moves and Xth-level pokemon. So I don't think making her a Trainer/Snagger would be much different than making her just a Snagger.

Originally Posted by Armored Bishoujo

Let's do this. Every even level of the Trainer/Breeder class (Trainer 2, Trainer 4, Breeder 1, Breeder 3, Breeder 5), we allow another Trainer Action. Then...oh, set the Trainer Attack for maybe just Trainer level 1.

I could live with that.

Originally Posted by Armored Bishoujo

And I'm sorry about the Tactical Actions nonsense, all right? It's just...I'm kind of feeling that if we keep throwing all this stuff in, then there isn't anything to look forward to in the sequel. I wanna do lotsa shit with it (attributes, terrain and move, Harem Techs, a Knomere Pokebrid form, etc.) and it's only Mission 3. All I'm saying is that the sequel is going to be huge in its own right, and believe me, skills and abilities that you don't learn until then will most certainly not be useless.

Originally Posted by Armored Bishoujo

Harem Techs

I don't say this often enough: I love you AB and you're getting a spot on my harem tech.

Originally Posted by Geminex

I understand that much. But your old trainer actions were a weak attack. And they were appropriate for that level, all the classes got about equal upgrades during that level. The stuff you're proposing now now is far more useful than that! You're getting buffed, retroactively. Your level 2 is now much stronger than anyone else's level 2. And you don't need that buff, goddammit. The other classes need it way more!

Which is why I'm not even balancing it. I'm saying "not for free". When you concede that point, then we can get to balancing.

Okay, I see your point.

Magic Code Word, activate! "not for free".

Originally Posted by Geminex

And AB's solution is better, since you're getting the stuff more gradually, but trainers are still getting a buff.
So AB, what are Slayers and Brids gonna get in return? Cause they have to get something. I... insist.

Slayer Actions and Pokemoves!

Pretty much just an equivalent of Trainer Actions for Slayers and Pokebrids. Then you can put some of your proposed upgrades for Demon into those, and have more stuff to get for your Demon upgrade.

Originally Posted by Geminex

Oh, sure. But you were talking about "a higher ratio". And if we're talking ratios, then the amount of proposals should be irrelevant.

Yep, my bad. Totally not what I meant.

Originally Posted by Geminex

Because, like I said, they'd be the only class for whom signature techniques work differently. And honestly, how would we do it if Matt takes some levels in another class? Would he start getting techniques normally?

Look at Melanie. She gets Synchronization Techniques and Signature Techniques for being a Slayer/Pokebrid.

Basically, think of Synchronization Techniques as a class feature, like Slayers getting weapons, armor and accessories, and trainers getting, y'know, pokemon and everything that comes with them. Don't think of them as Signature Techniques.

Yes, of course Pokebrid's class feature is more powerful than anyone else's. You know what they do to pay for that? They end up a very Rage-reliant class, and name me one time we've used a Rage Rocket on Matthias this mission. He's still probably not going to get any Rage Rockets if we make Synchronization Techniques vary their cost, and drop Paradigm Shifts to 20 RPs for one turn. They'll just, y'know, be able to actually use their techniques.

Originally Posted by Geminex

Why're you comparing tactions with trainer actions? They have nothing to do with each other.

Maybe I got the wrong impression because you proposed them as a result of us getting trainer actions.

[Astral Harmony]

So AB, what are Slayers and Brids gonna get in return? Cause they have to get something. I... insist.

I'll insist the back of my hand upside your head.

Joking aside, let's do that, Gem. What do you suggest Slayers and Pokebrids gain in return? You tell me they should gain something, but you don't have a suggestion. So all I can do is make one up myself.

First, let's do these Slayer Actions. They're free, they don't even cost Rage, and you can use only one per turn. Slayers can do a weak Normal type attack at level 1.

As for the rest, since you're a Slayer level 4, you can create two more of comparable strength to the Slayer level 1 Slayer Action.

Pokebrids get Pokebrid Actions, obviously. The idea I have is to let them do a status effect or debuff based on the primary type of their current Pokebrid form at the start of the turn. Like if the Pokebrid is a Poison type (or Poison is listed as the first type of a dual-type), then the Pokebrid Action is a free Poison affliction on a target of his or her choosing at various percentages depending on the effect.

Various percentages depending on the effect? What does that mean? Well, it's simple common sense. A Poison Pokeform Action should inflict Poison 100% of the time, right? That's fair, I think. But the Ghost Pokebrid Action should NOT inflict Instant Death 100% of the time. Otherwise, we really have no need for Snipers since a Ghost type Pokebrid could instantly kill one enemy unit per turn, no cost or nothing.

To make it clear, let's take Matthias's forms...

1.) Matthias's first Pokeform is Venomoth. It's first type is listed as Bug. So the Pokebrid Action could reduce Evasion by one level 100%.
2.) Next up is Castform. As we all know, Castform changes types based on the current weather, so Castform has access to no less than four types. The Normal type deals small Normal type damage. The Fire type would inflict Burn at 50%. Water type would inflict Sleep at 50%. Ice type would inflict Freeze at 50%. Because status effects are a more effective tactic, they tend to have less of a chance at inflicting the desired effects.
3.) Finally, we've got Porygon Z. Porygon Z is Normal type, so it does Normal type damage for its Pokebrid Action.

I feel that Pokebrid Actions should become available as the Pokebrid/Deva gains new forms.

If there's an issue, please address it so we can work it together. I love it when a good RP group cooperates to make everything better.

And AB, this isn't a big thing I'm asking for! Certainly not so big that it should have to wait until the sequel. You already said yes to tall the stuff I asked for for Impact's demon upgrade, right? Power up allies, depower enemies, scout the enemy, do crippling damage when it's necessary, you were fine with that, right?
The question is, how to implement it? Are you just gonna give Impact a bunch of rage-using techniques? If that's the case, you'd have to massively buff his rage generation to pretty much destroyer levels, because using techniques is gonna be his main role. He'll be a caster, he needs to be able to cast a lot.
But I think rage should be separate. Let it remain fuel for sig-techs and other combat abilities. And that's why I recommended tactical actions. They're seperate from rage, but they still serve to ration Impact's ability use. It's a rationing mechanism, not a whole new combat system! It's not that big a thing.

I think I said it twice in this thread that I wanted to work it over with you. So, give me your suggestions before I Dinner your ass.

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You said NPCs don't get all the cool stuff us PCs do like custom items, custom moves and Xth-level pokemon. So I don't think making her a Trainer/Snagger would be much different than making her just a Snagger.

I'm actually going to start applying those upgrades to NPCs now. I just need time for...inspiration. Like the inspiration I got when I saw this evolved version of a Sharpedo on Gelbooru that I decided to name Sharpredator.



Wouldn't Moon be a total badass is his Sharpedo evolved into that thing?

Anyways, the classes will also get stuff like Trainer Actions as well to bring them up to par.

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Harem Techs are going to be strange. I'm thinking that since there's so many NPCs (particularly attractive female ones), I'd group them together and set them up to work in tandem with PCs in something called Harem Techs. I'm going to want more time with it, of course.

[Dracorion]

Originally Posted by Armored Bishoujo

Slayer Actions and Pokebrid Actions.

OMGWTF I JUST SAID THAT PLAGIARISM ILL SUE

Originally Posted by Armored Bishoujo

If there's an issue, please address it so we can work it together. I love it when a good RP group cooperates to make everything better.

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Originally Posted by Armored Bishoujo

I think I said it twice in this thread that I wanted to work it over with you. So, give me your suggestions before I Dinner your ass.

You should Dinner his ass anyway. I mean, you already had to ask him twice! Dude just refuses to believe that you want to help him, because it's easier to think he's the one getting shafted.

Oh man, I love Geminex bashing. Seriously, it's like an addiction. A highly disturbing one.

Okay, I'm not going to troll Geminex quite like that to his face anymore. Fo' realz. I'm still going to troll him, just not with comments like that.

Originally Posted by Armored Bishoujo

I'm actually going to start applying those upgrades to NPCs now. I just need time for...inspiration. Like the inspiration I got when I saw this evolved version of a Sharpedo on Gelbooru that I decided to name Sharpredator.

Cool! I kinda wanna make Elizabeth a Trainer/Snagger now, so she can take advantage of all the custom stuff.

Though I don't want to steal AB's Trainer/Snagger NPC for Mission 4's thing.

Hmmm... AB, can I make Elizabeth a Trainer/Snagger after Mission 4? Basically just give her as many levels in Trainer as she has Snagger? That way I get what I want, without ruining the surprise of your NPC.

Originally Posted by Armored Bishoujo

Wouldn't Moon be a total badass is his Sharpedo evolved into that thing?

Meh, it's nice. I mean, cool and all, but not all that great. Not as great as Unownaut anyway.

Originally Posted by Armored Bishoujo

Anyways, the classes will also get stuff like Trainer Actions as well to bring them up to par.

Think this through, AB.

You're giving Elizabeth Trainer Actions.

Consider all the ramifications and tell me if you think that's a good idea.

Originally Posted by Armored Bishoujo

Harem Techs are going to be strange. I'm thinking that since there's so many NPCs (particularly attractive female ones), I'd group them together and set them up to work in tandem with PCs in something called Harem Techs. I'm going to want more time with it, of course.

Mine is going to be Pierce getting together with the Kimonos to call in God AKA Armored Bishoujo to smite some baddies.

And then they all blow God.

Because you're just that cool, AB.

[Menarker]

Err... how many girls minimal or maximum in a Harem Tech?

Because while Lola is definately MINE no questions asked, some of the others I would consider is Whitney, Kurika, Rachel, and maybe a few others. (There are more being introduced every mission!)

AB: I would like to ask (DEMAND) that everyone has a select girl that cannot be taken into someone else's harem tech (or any kind of harem). I don't want anyone taking Lola into their harem just like I'd imagine Drac wouldn't want anyone taking Chizuru. And so on and so forth.


I didn't know Moon had a Sharpedo. The only person I know with anything like that is Rachel with that form.

[Dracorion]

Well he doesn't have one on his team right now.

But let's face it, dude probably has one somewhere.

[Menarker]

Given his specialty with Water types, it would be quite feasible that he could have one somewhere or he will get one soon.

Also, AB what level would that proposed Pokebrid Action be attained? Is that something meant to be attained at level one or at a slightly higher level like level 3 or so? Don't want anyone accusing me of power-gaming for a new ability I didn't suggest in the first place.

[Dracorion]

I imagine you would get a new one when you get a new Pokebrid form.

So you would get one for your first level of Pokebrid, that deals a status effect or a stat decrease.

[Astral Harmony]

Hmmm... AB, can I make Elizabeth a Trainer/Snagger after Mission 4? Basically just give her as many levels in Trainer as she has Snagger? That way I get what I want, without ruining the surprise of your NPC.

Sure, you can do that. So long as she hasn't joined the team yet, and occasionally even after she has, you could change her class, but if you're gonna do it after, you'll need a darn good reason.

Meh, it's nice. I mean, cool and all, but not all that great. Not as great as Unownaut anyway.

It could be worse. It could be this...



So watch it. You know how much I love comedy in my RPs.

You're giving Elizabeth Trainer Actions.

Consider all the ramifications and tell me if you think that's a good idea.

Isn't Elizabeth the one who-...oh, heh heh heh. Yes. Yes, in-fucking-deedy, I do want her to have Trainer Actions.

AB: I would like to ask (DEMAND) that everyone has a select girl that cannot be taken into someone else's harem tech (or any kind of harem). I don't want anyone taking Lola into their harem just like I'd imagine Drac wouldn't want anyone taking Chizuru. And so on and so forth.

That goes without saying...ergh...typing, Menarker.

I didn't know Moon had a Sharpedo. The only person I know with anything like that is Rachel with that form.

Huh...now that I looked at it, he doesn't. I wonder why he doesn't? Sharpedo is, like, one of my favorite Pokemon.

Oh, he already has a Water/Dark type in Crawdaunt.

Well, I guess I should think up an evolution for Starmie. ...Starwii?

[Menarker]

Or you could you know, have Moon trade away his Crawdaunt for Sharpredator (Or presumably trade it away for a Sharpedo whom he manages to evolve during the space between mission) after the mission, presumably editing it into the update sheet which will probably be changed and updated after we finish discussion on how advanced classes would be changed. We only really use Crawdaunt for Blizzard really, and he doesn't even do it well.