Soldiers of Light: Mafia

[CallmePrismatic]

CmP: Um, are you still voting for me? I read your post, and you seem to agree with what I said. Thanks for the defense. But please, refrain from it in the future. I have already asked that none defend me, to prevent complications later on. As a townie, the only person who I know to be innocent is myself. Also, I'm worried it might result in the situation like the first game, where mafiates previous posts defending others would be used as evidence. This is in no accusation, or even an FoS, but I have to be firm on this matter.

It was a sarcastic defense, which I guess I should have emphasized more on the sarcasm. Seriously, did anybody read my post. The only change Darth gave was negligible, so I still believe that you changed your vote to shoo attention away from yourself. Basically I still believe you are scummy, so don't worry about any defense from me.

[The Wandering God]

Originally Posted by CallmePrismatic

It was a sarcastic defense, which I guess I should have emphasized more on the sarcasm. Seriously, did anybody read my post. The only change Darth gave was negligible, so I still believe that you changed your vote to shoo attention away from yourself. Basically I still believe you are scummy, so don't worry about any defense from me.

No, I asked specifically and repeatedly exactly how he made that calculation. I asked him specifically if it was on a piece of paper or in his head. I, uh, didn't actually think about a calculator.

Who voted before me? Catlover, Garud, and IHMN. I was the 6th (or 7th depending of if you want to count Garud since he unvoted right after Secretskull voted for him.) person to vote for him. I was also the first person to unvote him one he defended himself. And it was because I had my questions answered. How can I be scummy when I have only accused, and voted for, one person? I had actual reason for doing so.

What about Ahra? Picking Raiden just because he hadn't posted yet.

Want to know what I think is scummy? Picking on me because I actually give reasons for why I do things. I explain every action and every action makes sense. Until you can go back and point out the flaws in my reasoning, you are making a very unjust vote. Unjust vote=scummy.

And I'm still not going to vote for you. But I will FoS: Call Me Prismtatic . Dude, I had asked from the beginning how he made that calculation. And as soon as had my answer, I unvoted.

You are trying to make this entirely about his vote choice, when it merely tipped my suspciouns over the edge. However, when left with just his vote choices, I don't think that is enough to go on for a vote to lynch.

The Wandering God

[TheSpacePope]

Newb I'd like you to explain why you think all of the townies are expendable. We all have to work together to find out who is the mafia, and after staying silent and watching, most of us seem to be grasping at straws here.
Darthmauler was the first choice to be called out, for a math error, very simple to do. We all could have made that mistake. Why does he have to die?
Also, I hate making names slapped the GO basically, but does that make him mafia/role that kills? His action s are suspect, but nothing concrete so far.

CMP: I agree that TWG does act a tiny bit suspect because of his desire to have no one ddefend him, but that is hardly a reason to make him suspect. He just does not want anyone twisting words, after defending him, to make him a more likely candidate.

But as far as I am concerned, the only two suspect people I have are TWG (whom I don't really suspect that much) and Newb, who seems to think that we are all expendable. That is not cool.
I don't know if anyone else caught that, but that is just on the table.
I'm not voting yet, I want newb to explain his additude.
I also want major blood to explain this.
*edited cause I didn't see this comment in my skimmin.

Well, like i said before. If we're going to make any progress SOMEONE has to be lynched so...

So you'd lynch a townie to draw out a Possible clue? Explain that, I just want to know why everyone is so gung ho to kill someone, when all we have is cursory evidence.

[The Wandering God]

Originally Posted by TheSpacePope

He just does not want anyone twisting words, after defending him, to make him a more likely candidate.

But as far as I am concerned, the only two suspect people I have are TWG (whom I don't really suspect that much) and Newb, who seems to think that we are all expendable. That is not cool.
I don't know if anyone else caught that, but that is just on the table.
I'm not voting yet, I want newb to explain his additude.
I also want major blood to explain this.
*edited cause I didn't see this comment in my skimmin.

So you'd lynch a townie to draw out a Possible clue? Explain that, I just want to know why everyone is so gung ho to kill someone, when all we have is cursory evidence.

First off, you got my reasoning exactly right. I'm worried about a repeat from the first game where I got the PO lynched because I thought a known mafia member defended him too much. That got me lynched.

And CmP is actually the one who said we should vote for someone, because if we don't vote for anybody, we are just letting the mafia get in a "free" hit. As in, no mafia are going to die (unless the imposter gets one of them) if we don't do something about it. And since we don't have much to go on...

Incidentally, is there anything I can do to allay people's suspiciouns about me? I doubt it, but I figured I'd ask.

I'd also like to point out that I still think we should lynch an inactive player eventually. We can discuss how long we should wait, but still if we do so at worst we lose someone who isn't helping the town (by letting more mafia members be a percentage of the voting power. By this I mean, if say 5 people innocents aren't voting that means they are basically out of the game, saving time for the mafia to deal with them later. Wheras the active members will try to get the mafia lynched), and at best we hit a mafia trying to hide in the shadows.

Now I am in a quandry. If IHMN actually is mafia, anyone not voting for him is suspect. However, there is actually little evidence besides him being... well him. And since I will try and let evidence decide my votes, I will withhold voting for now.

The Wandering God

[P-Sleazy]

After some speculation of how ye "townies" voted, I have made some considerable recognitions. The first 4 people to vote for DarthMauler were

1: Catlover[Insert random numbers here]
2: GARUD
3: IHateMakingNames
4: Major Blood

Of these, 2 of them have switched thier votes to IHMN solely based on him being the most current "Bandwagon" lynching based on his accusation of the GO's cheating. These two are

1: Catlover
2: Major Blood

IHMN obviously won't vote for himself so his vote stays on DarthMauler due to not having any reason to change his vote other than "a simple math miscalculation". And Garud just took his vote off for the time being.

Catlover's vote change for IHMN is making her look like a mafiate due to how she voted for IHMN

Originally Posted by Catlover

Ah. Yeah, that must have been one of the pages I just skipped over.

I find that a much better reason to lynch someone than a miscount, so Unvote: Darthmauler64 and Vote: IHMN

Major Blood voted in much the same fashion

Originally Posted by Major Blood

Well, like i said before. If we're going to make any progress SOMEONE has to be lynched so...

Vote: IHMN

IHMN can't possibly be a mafiate because why would he raise such a stink of the GO cheating if he really was a mafiate? He wouldn't. He must have been displeased with not recieving a role from the GO and thus it likely makes him a Townie, or a Mason (also Townie)

It appears to me as if Catlover and Majorblood are just now trying to feed off of our distrust of IHMN now just to get ride of a very likely townie because if they are mafiates, then they KNOW that he's not a mafia and thus can easily make such quick and easy votes against him which would make it a hit the mafia gets without actually having to do it themselves but using the town as a tool for the hit.
So as of this point, my most likely mafia list consists of two names

1: Catlover
2: Majorblood

With this my vote still stands with Catlover.

[CallmePrismatic]

I believe that Darth is exactly what he looks like; a new, inexperienced player who was overwhelmed by the sudden and out-of-nowhere barrage leveled against him.

TWG, in my view, took advantage of this and used Darth's newness to lead him through an song and dance that ended with TWG 'looking' innocent and justified in his crusade.

TWG, you keep saying that you only 'questioned' Darth because he hadn't defended himself, but the second he did (after the questioning) you vote for him. Then, after I ask you what the 'proper' response would have to be to Unvote Darth, Darth comes along, posts the exact requirements to appease you, and then you 'graciously' Unvote him, coming out smelling like roses.

Now, TWG isn't the only one on my list (Darth's votes piled up way too fast), but he is at the top. Remember when I said that we needed to watch for mafiates who slipped up?

I wanted to stick with my TWG vote and not sully my hands in all this IHMN-hate, but seeing as TWG is hesitant to vote for him...

Unvote: The Wandering God
Vote: IHateMakingNames

My reasons are actually twofold: (1) Obviously the connection between TWG and IHMN but also (2) IHMN hasn't pulled out his trump card. Now, this may be because he doesn't have a special role, but I would expect IHMN to at least Roleclaim: Townie. Instead he has taken a backseat and let the votes pile on and done nothing to defend himself, so I'm inclined to believe he has a role he doesn't want to roleclaim for fear that it would make things worse, either Imposter, Cult, or Mafiate. If he is revealed as a mafiate, I believe the correct path concerning TWG is clear.

[catlover20410]

Some of Darth's reactions to being suspect Numero Uno looked to me like a newbie making an honest mistake, and I find almost any reason better than the miscount. If the miscount had been all we had, I would have no regrets about lynching Darth. But the moment a better reason for killing someone came around, I switched my vote to that person. At this point, I'm split about 40-60 between TWG and IHMN, but my feelings about TWG are pure intuition, and I have an actual reason for voting for IHMN.

Darth is, at the moment, not actually on my mafia list.

[P-Sleazy]

Now it sounds odd that your defending and your vote only after you are being questioned as a suspect when just about everyone else except you and major blood voted for IHMN without anything actually accounting for your vote change other than an assumption that we would assume your reasons.

[TheSpacePope]

But the moment a better reason for killing someone came around,

And what precisely is that reason?
Is it because he insulted the GO?
Remember people, that was not IN the game.
I want more answers.
So Cmp, You propose that IHMN and Darth and TWG are all in this together?
I mean I get your reasoning, and I thinkn that you might be on to something. And so far I am listening mostly to you, but you have to do a hell of a lot more convincing than that to get me to vote ANYway.
Edit.
Also, It IS strange that IHMN is not doing a roleclaim.
That is odd, however not damning.

[The Wandering God]

Originally Posted by CallmePrismatic

I believe that Darth is exactly what he looks like; a new, inexperienced player who was overwhelmed by the sudden and out-of-nowhere barrage leveled against him.

TWG, in my view, took advantage of this and used Darth's newness to lead him through an song and dance that ended with TWG 'looking' innocent and justified in his crusade.

TWG, you keep saying that you only 'questioned' Darth because he hadn't defended himself, but the second he did (after the questioning) you vote for him. Then, after I ask you what the 'proper' response would have to be to Unvote Darth, Darth comes along, posts the exact requirements to appease you, and then you 'graciously' Unvote him, coming out smelling like roses.

Now, TWG isn't the only one on my list (Darth's votes piled up way too fast), but he is at the top. Remember when I said that we needed to watch for mafiates who slipped up?

I wanted to stick with my TWG vote and not sully my hands in all this IHMN-hate, but seeing as TWG is hesitant to vote for him...

Unvote: The Wandering God
Vote: IHateMakingNames

My reasons are actually twofold: (1) Obviously the connection between TWG and IHMN but also (2) IHMN hasn't pulled out his trump card. Now, this may be because he doesn't have a special role, but I would expect IHMN to at least Roleclaim: Townie. Instead he has taken a backseat and let the votes pile on and done nothing to defend himself, so I'm inclined to believe he has a role he doesn't want to roleclaim for fear that it would make things worse, either Imposter, Cult, or Mafiate. If he is revealed as a mafiate, I believe the correct path concerning TWG is clear.

I'm going to have to say this, aren't I?

There is no place for sympathy here. For me, you, DarthMauler or anyone else. That is simply not playing fair. DarthMauler hasn't played a game yet, but not voting for him based soley on that fact is wrong. You vote for someone based on how they act, vote, etc. Not how new, or how much of a vet they are.

I also find any reference to me and IHMN a distraction tactic so that you won't have to justify your vote. Where do you see a connection? The only two things I said about him were

A)

Originally Posted by The_Wandering_God

As to the matter of IHMN...

Mafia? No way to know.

As to how he has been acting... Not cool.

Still, I find myself hesitant to vote again. If he turns out to be innocent, how many people are going to look at who voted for him and say, "possible mafia". Of course, he isn't making any friends either.

The only reason Newb voted for him was based on his actions in a previous game. Not cool. DarthMauler voted on him since he was an active player and to draw attention to himself. Understandable considiering the circumstances, but still not a good reason. After that... Well apparently I'm not allowed to say bad things, but IHMN brought this upon himself.
B)

Originally Posted by The_Wandering_God

Now I am in a quandry. If IHMN actually is mafia, anyone not voting for him is suspect. However, there is actually little evidence besides him being... well him. And since I will try and let evidence decide my votes, I will withhold voting for now.
The Wandering God

I am not voting on him because I find the reasons given for voting have nothing to do with him being possible mafia. Ya know, cause I actually like to have a reason for voting. And as much as you want to hem and haw about DarthMauler, there was a reason for why I voted for him. I put them in my post, and once my major reason was dealt with, I unvoted him. It had nothing to do with you (as much as your apparent ego would like to say otherwise, else why would you refuse to let it go?)

You never backed up any of your reasons for voting for me. You made accusations based on questions. Not wild statements. Because I don't make those. So you have to actually make stuff up to cast a shadow of guilt on me.

And how did I "lead" him? Care to elaborate on that? Or are you going to continue making baseless accusations to back up your arguments?

Copy/pasted and bolded for emphasis
(1) Obviously the connection between TWG and IHMN
What the hell are you talking about? What connection? I commented on what was obviously already going on, and then decided to not vote on him because, *gasp*, a lack of reasonable evidence.

Now you voting for him because I'm not? Is that some sort of reverse bandwagoning? Doing something simply because other people aren't? That's no reason, that's a ****ing excuse.

Don't use me to justify your behavior. As a matter of fact, you have been pushing all my buttons. And your repeated non-refusals to argue with my reasons leaves me to

Vote: CallmePrismatic .

Reasons: Unwilling to change vote for me based on my arguments, unwillingness to actually respond to any of my arguments, putting words in my mouth, painting a picture out of my behavior that simply isn't there, and (reverse) bandwagoning.

The Wandering God