Mafia: Basic

[Silly Kitty]

Mesden, the reason I'm not active right now is because CMP told me to stop talking and since I don't agree with you I simply have nothing more to contribute.

[Ogianres]

I think that pretty much all three of you are over-reacting. It was a joke, and jokes usually are part of the first-page random vote. I see it all the time in MafiaScum.net. I don't think anyone other than Mesden and TWG are taking it at all seriously, or a lot of people could just be lurkers. However, CmP is getting really over-defensive about it, and he seems to be stressing over it more than he should. All three of you would normally tie on my scum list. Mesden, being a confirmed townie, is at the bottom of my suspicions list. That leaves TWG and CmP. TWG has been using relevant posts and what has been said to explain his suspicions. CmP, as has been said before, is only relying on his word. I think I believe that CmP deserves a VOTE, and if he is townie, let me be struck down by the vigilante (if it has been/will be reassigned).

[CallmePrismatic]

Something I'd like to see...TWG's proof that I wasn't joking. Unless I'm missing something, it's my word that I was joking and TWG's word that I wasn't, except TWG's word is taken as 'proof' and I'm rubbing grains of salt.

So can someone just point out where TWG found the undeniable proof that I wasn't joking. mkaythxbai.

Also, Silly Kitty, I don't know if the "CmP told me not to talk" is serious or not, but you have 'permission' to talk now .

[Silly Kitty]

Hehehe. I meant you told me not to defend you. Since I didn't agree with what Mes and TWG were saying I have nothing more to contribute without defending you.

[The Wandering God]

Originally Posted by CallmePrismatic

Something I'd like to see...TWG's proof that I wasn't joking. Unless I'm missing something, it's my word that I was joking and TWG's word that I wasn't, except TWG's word is taken as 'proof' and I'm rubbing grains of salt.

So can someone just point out where TWG found the undeniable proof that I wasn't joking. mkaythxbai.

Also, Silly Kitty, I don't know if the "CmP told me not to talk" is serious or not, but you have 'permission' to talk now .

Gee, way to put words in my mouth.

I never gave proof that you were or weren't joking. I did however point out that

A) There were other viable options that could have had the same effect (FoS instead of vote)
B) That you also could have voted for someone who wasn't in the game
C) That as much as you say it was a joke, you have no right to get upset if people don't believe you.

Which is what I see happening really.

You've been acting 'scummy' more than I would consider normal. Hurling around insults and jabs is not cool. (Ex: the lackey comment and saying we entirely lack a sense of humor.)

The Wandering God

EDIT: Silly Kitty, you could look at Sith Darth's post and try and figure out why the mafia chose him.

[CallmePrismatic]

Honestly, my opinion rests between you and TWG. He's shown me a bit more of...well, convincing info. You're giving me your word.

TWG has been using relevant posts and what has been said to explain his suspicions. CmP, as has been said before, is only relying on his word

Convincing info seems to me like your word is somehow worth more than my word.

But you know, hey, I could've done a lot of things to avoid this, if I had the precognition to know what I would be avoiding. Why didn't I FOS or vote for someone else? Because in my past experience people voted straight out, if the guy was or wasn't in the game, so that's all I'm used to. I'll admit, hindsight is a crystal clear 20/20, but you're faulting me for not knowing exactly how the NPF crowd would react. It's like faulting Palm Harbor for not having adequate anti-air weaponry in place before the Japanese came.

Also, I do have a right to get mad, because it's my 'life' on the lynching block. I can either sit back like a bitch while the votes mount up, or stand up and bitch to sway opinion. Right now I think I've bitched enough to secure myself; I can't convince TWG and Mesden and I'll accept that, but the fact that I'm not swinging or facing imminent swinging seems to imply that the town thinks there isn't sufficient enough reason to see me go.

*Waits for the entire populace to pop in just to vote me away*

EDIT: And yes, I'll admit I was a bit scummy in my jabs, but I get personal when I'm put under pressure, then I feel like shit afterwards, like now. So sorry if I offended you.

[The Wandering God]

Originally Posted by CallmePrismatic

Convincing info seems to me like your word is somehow worth more than my word.

But you know, hey, I could've done a lot of things to avoid this, if I had the precognition to know what I would be avoiding. Why didn't I FOS or vote for someone else? Because in my past experience people voted straight out, if the guy was or wasn't in the game, so that's all I'm used to. I'll admit, hindsight is a crystal clear 20/20, but you're faulting me for not knowing exactly how the NPF crowd would react. It's like faulting Palm Harbor for not having adequate anti-air weaponry in place before the Japanese came.

Also, I do have a right to get mad, because it's my 'life' on the lynching block. I can either sit back like a bitch while the votes mount up, or stand up and bitch to sway opinion. Right now I think I've bitched enough to secure myself; I can't convince TWG and Mesden and I'll accept that, but the fact that I'm not swinging or facing imminent swinging seems to imply that the town thinks there isn't sufficient enough reason to see me go.

*Waits for the entire populace to pop in just to vote me away*

Well, I can hardly be blamed for the way I'm perceived by others. Then again, I would like to think that I've maintained a level head and tried to apply logic to situations where it's really difficult to figure out anything.

CmP, to be honest. That was that board. This is this one. It's basic psychology (and any good Mafia player, like you) that different groups of people could react differently to the same thing.

It really isn't fair to us that you can say, "Well this is how I've always done it before." We haven't. In addition, as a gaming community, you know we still haven't quite worked out all the kinks game-mechanics and relationship wise.

Can you honestly say that you didn't think were was any chance for a negative reaction?

And I think I can be shown that I CAN change my mind. Just like Mesden. I thought she was suspicious, but she answered in a satisfactory manner, and that's when I started focusing on you. She unvoted B_real.

And while you may or may not have a right to be mad, making remarks like you didn't won't help your case at all.

You shouldn't have to bitch to defend yourself, you should be able to come up with compelling reasons and arguments not to. Just like someone has to come up with compelling reasons to lynch.

But since your defense and the arguments to lynch you revolve around the same thing, it's partially a matter of perception. As admittedly most of the game is. (Except when we have undeniable or extreme proof otherwise.)

It's up to the rest of the town to decide for themselves.

Oh, and let's not forget that you didn't vote for Catlover.

The Wandering God

[Mondt]

For the record, I'm not exactly active because I have no opinion at the moment. I missed the beginning, so it is a lot harder for me to understand what's happening, even if I read it.

[Mesden]

Originally Posted by CallmePrismatic

Convincing info seems to me like your word is somehow worth more than my word.

It's like you ignore EVERYTHING TWG states.

Right HERE is what I was talking about.

That's a LOT more than just your word. He's in the more believeable position by MY view, CmP. JEEZ, man.

[CallmePrismatic]

Ya know, I think TWG is right. I should have done all of those things, because I should have considered them, because I should have used his foresight and not gone with my own personal feelings of comedy based on past experiences. Once I soup up the Delorean and deliver the fake bomb to the Libyans, I can tell Marty to take care of my things while I find a nice stretch of road and go back to the beginning of the game to do the right thing.

That's it, I'm done. I finally see that both sides are shouting the same arguments, but only the ones I spout seem stupid because I can't add anything, while TWG and Mes have an infinite mine of "Whydidntya"-s. I can't compete with that, so I quit arguing on that front.

Oh, and let's not forget that you didn't vote for Catlover.

Nope, I didn't vote for cat. I wouldn't have voted for jeremiahcron either. Humor may not completely transmutate across Internet forums, but knee-jerk stupidity is a universal commodity thats eternally traded. I've been in a lot of games, as has been said over and over, and people who vote randomly aren't that rare. It's the button mashing-equivalent for forum mafia, something that a newcomer can do easily even though he/she may not realize how much it annoys the more experienced. In my experience, 4 out of 5 times a person who vote-mashes is just a newbie townie who wants to contribute but doesn't realize how bad it makes him look. This happened to be the 1 in 5. Hey, another good chance to use the Delorean!