Mafia: NPF edition

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

I honestly try not to post when I don't have anything to say and me restating something that's already been said just seems like a waste of time to me.
If you really think that I should start wasting everyones time with mindless recaps of what has happened then I'll get right on that.

[Sithdarth]

Originally Posted by grthwllms

I honestly try not to post when I don't have anything to say and me restating something that's already been said just seems like a waste of time to me.
If you really think that I should start wasting everyones time with mindless recaps of what has happened then I'll get right on that.

You can't honestly want me to believe you have absolutely no opinions either way, or that someone has beat you to saying something every time you actually had something to say. But really I'd rather get rid of Darthmauler because there is just no excuse for having 4 posts at this stage of the game.

[Thundergod Cid]

My thoughts:

Ecurt: I don't think agreeing with B_real in day 2 is enough evidence to lynch him. It's far from unheard of for a mafiate to trick a townie into agreeing with them.

SpacePope: Him defending a No Lynch vote gives me a scummy vibe. I wasn't that convinced by a lot of Mesden's argument, but this part of his response:

and is't only in YOUR playing style that a no lynch is bad.

really made me suspicious. Especially since he didn't provide any counter-arguments to the reasons why no-lynch is bad, merely saying

When someone roleclaims a secret power that could potentiall kill several townies, someone has to step up and say hey, lets pull back from the fire.

which is only an argument for not lynching B_real, not for not lynching anyone. This, to me, makes him look scummier than anyone else here, so...

Vote: SpacePope

(P.S.: Sorry for being inactive lately. I have no excuse for it, but I will try to post more often.)

[DarthMauler64]

I'll try to post more often, but I don't have much to say right now. I'll look through the thread more closely later.

[TheSpacePope]

This, to me, makes him look scummier than anyone else here, so...

except for all of the people that have not contributed anything to the game, like you Cid. I think that it's pretty scummy to come out of nowhere and bandwagon with someone that no one (active players that is) has given any credence to. You are just taking an easy route here, with no real evidence.
Bandwagoning with mesden historically has gotten townies killed in other games, and it's about to get another townie killed now. Me mainly.
(I know that I said that other games have no bearing, but honestly, I have learned that play style has a lot to do with how these things go.)

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I'll try to post more often, but I don't have much to say right now. I'll look through the thread more closely later.

COME ON DUDE, THREE IN GAME DAYS, GET WITH THE PROGRAM.

[neyo the king]

Woo, I think I got my suspect.

Ogianres.

And, look! I got some quotes together, too!

Originally Posted by Ogianres

Sith, I know it may sound crazy, but I find you suspicious because you are too helpful. Being helpful is supposed to be a good thing, but when you are too helpful, it makes me believe that you are mafiate (or SK or cult) trying to act helpful to be on people's good sides, to avoid anyone believing you lynch-worthy.

Not really all that bad, but if you read on...

It also can throw suspicion off of other scum (if you are mafiate and not Sk etc.) by having people read through your helpful posts.

I don't quite know what he's getting at. How can people reading a helpful post throw suspicion off other people?

But you could just be trying to be helpful, like you said, and thus aren't deserving of a vote.

And he contridects himself and says that Sith isn't deserving of a vote. But he votes for him anyway.

FOS: Inbred because you voted for someone that hasn't even posted in the game yet, thus not having any concrete evidence to lynch him. I can understand if it was to get him to post, but from the looks of things I don't think that's why you voted for him.

IC said he had nothing to go on by voting SpacePope, only a gut feeling. Ogianres apparently didn't read all of his post, only his vote. If a Mafia wanted to have an excuse to vote for someone, they would do something similar to this, methinks. Me also thinks, looking at the post as a whole, that Ogianres only posted to not seem like a lurker. Possibly at the request of a mafiate.

Personally I think that Roy may have been our only PO. It isn't uncommon for a mafia game to have a crazy cop and no normal cops. It helps shift the balance in favor of scum, which is useful if there are lots of pro-town roles. And I'm going to assume that many of the secret roles are pro-town, and a crazy cop may have been necessary to balance out the game.

Well, if he had been paying attention, he would have seen that it was confirmed that our real PO was alive and well, and the fake one was just that: a fake. Point of this being he didn't pay attention... again.

But in any case, we shouldn't ever have to rely on roles to get us through the game. We have to try as hard as we can to just be able to win without dependance on roles.

Since when was it bad to rely on the towns roles? I thought relying on our helpful PO's and Vigs to do what the town can't was a good thing...

How about we follow through with the plan to just lynch someone else who is mafia and then let the vig ill him tonight. Right now I can't really thinkof who else to lynch but I'll come back to it later.

He never came back to it. And he seemed a little anctous to make sure that no one voted B_real, after everyone did.

VOTE: B_Real

The idea of him bluffing sounds very plausible to me. And besides, if I die it won't be much of a loss since I don't have a very important role.

Contridiction, and a statement that was practicly a Roleclaim Townie. He also seemsed a little to willing to die by B_real's "secret role" to me.

On top of that, he's a lurker, and he seems to be flying under the radar alot to me.



And there you have it. Why I think Ogianres is mafia.

Vote: Ogianres.

[Ogianres]

Originally Posted by Neyo the King

I don't quite know what he's getting at. How can people reading a helpful post throw suspicion off other people?

Well, I meant more along the lines of long posts, but it contains the same basic principles. Think of attention being similar to electricity. If someone is doing something noticeable i.e. a long post, then our attention is drawn to it, similar to electricity being drawn to the most conductive substance near it. Now that can throw suspicion off of others by simply grabbing attention. Also, if somebody has a long post and mentions someone else, it's like conducting attention to that person, like touching a metal rod to another rod. But I don't suppose I was being very clear in that post anyways.

And he contridects himself and says that Sith isn't deserving of a vote. But he votes for him anyway.

I honestly don't remember when I voted for him. If you could quickly quote my post where I voted for him that would be helpful. I'm not trying to be sarcastic or anything I just honestly don't remember.

IC said he had nothing to go on by voting SpacePope, only a gut feeling. Ogianres apparently didn't read all of his post, only his vote. If a Mafia wanted to have an excuse to vote for someone, they would do something similar to this, methinks. Me also thinks, looking at the post as a whole, that Ogianres only posted to not seem like a lurker. Possibly at the request of a mafiate.

But I didn't vote for him. I usually don't think too much about FOS's, since I don't believe that they have much weight. I just see it as telling someone what you are thinking.

Well, if he had been paying attention, he would have seen that it was confirmed that our real PO was alive and well, and the fake one was just that: a fake. Point of this being he didn't pay attention... again.

Is there a post where GARUD confirmed that there is another PO? Because I don't remember him ever confirming the existance of another PO.

Since when was it bad to rely on the towns roles? I thought relying on our helpful PO's and Vigs to do what the town can't was a good thing...

Relying on town roles is a bad thing. If we rely on them, then what happens when they die? We completely fall apart. If we can play well enough that we don't need the roles then with the roles still actually there it makes us that much better.

He never came back to it. And he seemed a little anctous to make sure that no one voted B_real, after everyone did.

I didn't want to lynch B_Real because I assumed that there was credence behind him having a secret role that could take out the last few people who lynched him, and I wouldn't want that to happen.

Contridiction, and a statement that was practicly a Roleclaim Townie. He also seemsed a little to willing to die by B_real's "secret role" to me.

I can change my mind, and I did. I had large doubts that he had a secret role at that point. And yes, I was eager to die, if it saved somebody else. My death might not have harmed the town as much as someone who is more active or could have a pro-town role.

On top of that, he's a lurker, and he seems to be flying under the radar alot to me.

Well there is no way I can deny that I ahve been, in fact, lurking. The only defense I can offer is that I don't personally belive that lurking is an indicator of being scum-aligned.

I don't think that you are mafia trying to get a townie lynched because, honestly, there are better targets than me. I think that you are likely town and that you believe that I am mafia.

[neyo the king]

Well, I meant more along the lines of long posts, but it contains the same basic principles. Think of attention being similar to electricity. If someone is doing something noticeable i.e. a long post, then our attention is drawn to it, similar to electricity being drawn to the most conductive substance near it. Now that can throw suspicion off of others by simply grabbing attention. Also, if somebody has a long post and mentions someone else, it's like conducting attention to that person, like touching a metal rod to another rod. But I don't suppose I was being very clear in that post anyways.

I think I get what your saying. your saying that long posts attract attention, and names in long posts attract attention to that person. Seems to me that it would be the opposite, you know? Most people would avoid long posts. :P

I honestly don't remember when I voted for him. If you could quickly quote my post where I voted for him that would be helpful. I'm not trying to be sarcastic or anything I just honestly don't remember.

Crap. I could have sworn you voted for Sith. Well, nothing I can do about that now... Moving on...

But I didn't vote for him. I usually don't think too much about FOS's, since I don't believe that they have much weight. I just see it as telling someone what you are thinking.

I didn't say you voted for him. I'm saying that you said that IC had no reason, when he said that it was a gut feeling. Gut feeling, weak as they my be, are a reason, but if someone uses one (like IC), then that person shouldn't be FoS'd or anything, methinks. That person is just going blind, hoping he can start something. And, I guess to me, anyway, FoS'scan be a big deal, and shouldn't really be used lightly. An FoS means, to me, that , if things don't get explained or change quick, then I'm going vote you. I can't say that's how everyone sees them, so it's just my opinion.

Is there a post where GARUD confirmed that there is another PO? Because I don't remember him ever confirming the existance of another PO.

Well, I never said it was an official confirmation, but it was confirmed (clicky), nontheless.

Relying on town roles is a bad thing. If we rely on them, then what happens when they die? We completely fall apart. If we can play well enough that we don't need the roles then with the roles still actually there it makes us that much better.

I'm going to stop this right here, say we have differing views, and let the people decide on it. I don't want to turn this into a "Sithdarth V. Mesden" fiasco. :P

I didn't want to lynch B_Real because I assumed that there was credence behind him having a secret role that could take out the last few people who lynched him, and I wouldn't want that to happen.

Well, no one would want that to happen! Moving on...

I can change my mind, and I did. I had large doubts that he had a secret role at that point. And yes, I was eager to die, if it saved somebody else. My death might not have harmed the town as much as someone who is more active or could have a pro-town role.

Ok, I can understnad you changing your mind, we all do it, but if you had doubts about him having a secret role, then why did you think that you would die by voting for him? And you saying your role wasn't that important still seems off to me.

Well there is no way I can deny that I have been, in fact, lurking. The only defense I can offer is that I don't personally belive that lurking is an indicator of being scum-aligned.

Oh, it can be. Sitting around, never taking part in anything, noone would have anything against you. And if your a Mafia with no reason for people to vote against you, then your basicly invincible, unless Vig or SK or something gets to you. That's why people that are unresponsive get kicked by the GO, so they have some initiative to post, and so that the town won't waste time on a lurker about to be kicked.

I don't think that you are mafia trying to get a townie lynched because, honestly, there are better targets than me. I think that you are likely town and that you believe that I am mafia.

Just because there are better targets doesn't mean they're the right targets.

[Thundergod Cid]

Originally Posted by TheSpacePope

except for all of the people that have not contributed anything to the game, like you Cid. I think that it's pretty scummy to come out of nowhere and bandwagon with someone that no one (active players that is) has given any credence to. You are just taking an easy route here, with no real evidence.

I said in my post that I didn't find much of Mesden's reasoning that convincing, and that it was your defense of a no lynch that made me suspicious. But you're right, I am being too hasty here and it is good to discuss things rather than come out of the blue and vote, so Unvote: Spacepope.

So then, why is it that you think that a no lynch vote is a good idea/was a good idea in yesterday's case?

[TheSpacePope]

So then, why is it that you think that a no lynch vote is a good idea/was a good idea in yesterday's case?

B_real was dead already, and I didn't want to get offed by his supposed secret power, plus there where no other suspects after catlover got booted. So I guess I didn't feel like dropping the dime on a townie because I had no evidence. So there was nothing productive to do, so I voted no_lynch. I guess in hindsight I should have just not voted, becuse Mesden didn't attack anyone that didn't vote.