Mafia: Bleach

[Mesden]

I return from my...enlightening ban and, Ecurt, I'd like a response to my last post regarding your accusations.

Or any new accusation you may have founded.

Also, I'm weary to vote for Faukenwhatsitcalled, because, honestly, the idea seems pointless to me. Right or wrong, it seems more or less random and bandwagon'd.

Also, Fenris, in your analyzation of Catlover being a randochangevoting Mafiate, I'll refer you to Jeremiahcron. And to Catlover the game prior. And a few people from Original.

It's not a scum indicator and it's apparently not a townie one, so don't trust the amount of votes, less how they're used.

Remember, Jeremiahcron was RIGHT about the mafiate.

[Truce]

Simply put Mesden, your actions give off a scummy feel. Everything in that post brought attention to yourself, in a way that was completely unnecessary, at a time that was completely unnecessary.

Reacting to what IHMN said? Your name wasn't even mentioned; in fact, it was more of an observation on how other people vote, and not about the people making the big posts.

"Hiding in plain sight" leads to circular logic? Perhaps, but at the time I was simply referring to it as a method that has been actually used before that I believed you were using then. It also cannot be denied that being too innocent makes you suspicious to those that are aware; after all, you yourself admitted once that was how you caught me before. It was also the reason you were targeted in the last game by the mafia; you felt too innocent.

It was a joke? Humor can be used to lower one's guard; I've used it myself, and so have others. It also felt like you were trying to make it a big deal that you were Mesden, regardless of whether or not you made it seem like a bad thing or a good thing.

It took B_Real roleclaiming as a mafiate for people to join your side? Bringing that up serves two purposes. First, it's an attempt to disprove something that really wasn't aimed at you in the first place, but you thought others could interpret as "Don't trust Mesden". Second, it reminds people that you were right about B_Real, and they should trust you more because of that.

Also, you're being prosecuted by me? Prosecution is exactly what we do in Mafia. We present a case against a defendant in a prosecution. If we as a town find them guilty, we lynch them. I think you're guilty, so of course you're being prosecuted by me. There's nothing to be surprised about that.

[Mesden]

Originally Posted by Ecurt

Simply put Mesden, your actions give off a scummy feel. Everything in that post brought attention to yourself, in a way that was completely unnecessary, at a time that was completely unnecessary.

Reacting to what IHMN said? Your name wasn't even mentioned; in fact, it was more of an observation on how other people vote, and not about the people making the big posts.

I will repeat this for a final understanding, believe it if you want.

I thought that, in some way, shape or form, that his post might have been, in some inkling of a way, inferring to me.

Why? Because, of course, I do make big posts. It's not so much as a boast, but a fact through comparison to other posts. So, in terms of him addressing the 'Follow people with big posts', I thought "Well, I do make big posts and that is left a tad openended and untruthful to a degree." Why? Because, even in my large post writing theme, very few people actually do agree with me. More than they do, atleast.

I could refer you to many, many things that I've said with nice big posts in which someone followed me and didn't. The overall tends to be, in atleast the tiniest way, affered to me and others as well, I'm sure.

"Hiding in plain sight" leads to circular logic? Perhaps, but at the time I was simply referring to it as a method that has been actually used before that I believed you were using then.

Ecurt, all I ever do is be in plain sight. ALWAYS, scum or no, I am always in plain sight. Using that as any foundation for my 'scum' is the same as me calling out everyone else who 'hides in plain sight' or 'goes under the radar' for any period of time, with some inkling of a theme to it.

It also cannot be denied that being too innocent makes you suspicious to those that are aware; after all, you yourself admitted once that was how you caught me before. It was also the reason you were targeted in the last game by the mafia; you felt too innocent.

Splendid. I'm either scum or 'too' innocent. Either way, in your eyes, I'm 'dangerous', correct?

It was a joke? Humor can be used to lower one's guard; I've used it myself, and so have others. It also felt like you were trying to make it a big deal that you were Mesden, regardless of whether or not you made it seem like a bad thing or a good thing.

With every fiber of my being, the "ZOMG, follow Mesden because she makes big posts" thing was a joke, I can't make that more clear.

On the fact I'm Mesden, sure, I am. That doesn't matter in any way. I've been wrong before and I'll be wrong again.

Me being me doesn't matter, whether others think it is or not.

It took B_Real roleclaiming as a mafiate for people to join your side? Bringing that up serves two purposes. First, it's an attempt to disprove something that really wasn't aimed at you in the first place, but you thought others could interpret as "Don't trust Mesden".

How was referring to a time when I was absolutely right and no one could follow me a "Don't trust Mesden" thing? It was a "I haven't been trusted before" thing, you know, since little of anyone trusted me.

Second, it reminds people that you were right about B_Real, and they should trust you more because of that.

So? I thought you were scum for a time in that very same game, and I was wrong. I can point to when I was right, (In my claims against B_Real, I made quite the large post about it) and I can DEFINITELY pick many, many times when I was wrong.

Me directing to one instance isn't an automatic suade as you seem to imply it. That was just to prove that people don't always follow those who make big posts, as IHMN implied. I made big posts then, and little agreed with me, even if I was right.

That was the point. That last sentence. understand that, of skew your view for it if you wish, but that's what I was shooting at.

Also, you're being prosecuted by me?

Well, yeah.

Prosecution is exactly what we do in Mafia.

*Dittos*

We present a case against a defendant in a prosecution.

Yeah, don't see what you're getting at. I said that myself, but with much less words. IE: "I'm being prosecuted." and I think I said I was enjoying defending myself, right? Right.

If we as a town find them guilty, we lynch them. I think you're guilty, so of course you're being prosecuted by me. There's nothing to be surprised about that.

I...I wasn't surprised. I'm enjoying it and replying in full. Now, without further ado about prosecution, your turn.

[Truce]

Originally Posted by Mesden

I will repeat this for a final understanding, believe it if you want.

I thought that, in some way, shape or form, that his post might have been, in some inkling of a way, inferring to me.

Why? Because, of course, I do make big posts. It's not so much as a boast, but a fact through comparison to other posts. So, in terms of him addressing the 'Follow people with big posts', I thought "Well, I do make big posts and that is left a tad openended and untruthful to a degree." Why? Because, even in my large post writing theme, very few people actually do agree with me. More than they do, atleast.

I could refer you to many, many things that I've said with nice big posts in which someone followed me and didn't. The overall tends to be, in atleast the tiniest way, affered to me and others as well, I'm sure.

It was unnecessary to bring it up. First, it's IHMN. Second, nobody else had openly addressed it, or paid attention to it, probably because it was IHMN. The only reason I could see you bringing it up was to use it to gain trust, and that is how I choose to interpret it.

Originally Posted by Mesden

Ecurt, all I ever do is be in plain sight. ALWAYS, scum or no, I am always in plain sight. Using that as any foundation for my 'scum' is the same as me calling out everyone else who 'hides in plain sight' or 'goes under the radar' for any period of time, with some inkling of a theme to it.

Your methodology seems different. It is a hard to define feeling, but it's the same one you gave off in the last game. In the last game, we (the mafia) actually intended on letting you live, use you to our advantage, until we realized you were probably scum like us. Simply because everything you do is in plain sight doesn't mean that the actions all carry the same vibe about them.

Originally Posted by Mesden

Splendid. I'm either scum or 'too' innocent. Either way, in your eyes, I'm 'dangerous', correct?

Actually, you're not innocent at all, just plain scum. I find you very suspicious. I was simply pointing out that if you act too innocent, people will suspect you; it was an incentive to make yourself a little suspicious then.

Originally Posted by Mesden

With every fiber of my being, the "ZOMG, follow Mesden because she makes big posts" thing was a joke, I can't make that more clear.

On the fact I'm Mesden, sure, I am. That doesn't matter in any way. I've been wrong before and I'll be wrong again.

Me being me doesn't matter, whether others think it is or not.

First off, I never argued that it wasn't a joke, I don't know where you got the idea I thought that. The issue has always been how the humor was used for me.

Originally Posted by Mesden

How was referring to a time when I was absolutely right and no one could follow me a "Don't trust Mesden" thing? It was a "I haven't been trusted before" thing, you know, since little of anyone trusted me.

So? I thought you were scum for a time in that very same game, and I was wrong. I can point to when I was right, (In my claims against B_Real, I made quite the large post about it) and I can DEFINITELY pick many, many times when I was wrong.

Me directing to one instance isn't an automatic suade as you seem to imply it. That was just to prove that people don't always follow those who make big posts, as IHMN implied. I made big posts then, and little agreed with me, even if I was right.

That was the point. That last sentence. understand that, of skew your view for it if you wish, but that's what I was shooting at.

This can all be answered very easily: I was actually referring to the IHMN comment, not the B_Real incident.

Originally Posted by Mesden

Yeah, don't see what you're getting at. I said that myself, but with much less words. IE: "I'm being prosecuted." and I think I said I was enjoying defending myself, right? Right.

I...I wasn't surprised. I'm enjoying it and replying in full. Now, without further ado about prosecution, your turn.

I just felt like addressing it since you pointed out, with caps, that you were being prosecuted by me. I also don't recognize any single part of your post that implies you were enjoying defending yourself; that came after, and you only asked me to respond to that particular post, so I focused on it, just as you focus on certain parts of my post by separating sentences from the rest of the paragraph.

Since I have decided to say nothing more on this matter, as it can easily degenerate into something that will lead into an argument, I have one simple thing left to do.

Vote: Mesden

And that's that.

[Mesden]

Originally Posted by Ecurt

It was unnecessary to bring it up. First, it's IHMN. Second, nobody else had openly addressed it, or paid attention to it, probably because it was IHMN. The only reason I could see you bringing it up was to use it to gain trust, and that is how I choose to interpret it.

No, no it wasn't unnecessary. I felt that his statement needed adressing.

I'm scum because I think that?

Your methodology seems different. It is a hard to define feeling, but it's the same one you gave off in the last game.

You're leaving me with nothing to defend against, here. All I can say is, I'm playing how I always do.

In the last game, we (the mafia) actually intended on letting you live, use you to our advantage, until we realized you were probably scum like us.

Good on you. Are you saying it's the same thing now? I'm the EXACT same as last game? I doubt it, but keep trying.

Simply because everything you do is in plain sight doesn't mean that the actions all carry the same vibe about them.

I'd love to know what this vibe is. If, so far, all you have is an "I don't like how you're playing this time" with no backing other than "You responded to something I don't think needed responding to." then I'm sorely at a loss to what your precedent is.

Actually, you're not innocent at all, just plain scum.

Lies and slander! Boldly stating something so unsure, and so, very possibly wrong.

I find you very suspicious.

I noticed.

I was simply pointing out that if you act too innocent, people will suspect you; it was an incentive to make yourself a little suspicious then.

And now you're baiting me to make myself look worse. I know you think I'm scum, but initiating something to get your target worse off instead of using real reason is, in my book, scummy.

I did the exact same thing in my second game as Mafia, Ecurt. From what I can tell, every, single, time that someone has seemingly taken off of how I played, they were scum. Every. Single. Time.

That, in and of itself, is enough for me to Unvote: Roy and Vote Ecurt.

First off, I never argued that it wasn't a joke, I don't know where you got the idea I thought that. The issue has always been how the humor was used for me.

A joke's a joke's a joke's a joke. Sure, it can be used to put your proverbial guard down, and sure, it can be used as a joke, you know, like a normal joke.

This can all be answered very easily: I was actually referring to the IHMN comment, not the B_Real incident.

But my reply to IHMN contained referral to the B_Real incident. So why're you straying away from the matter at hand? You comment about my reply, which involved that afforementioned incident, and say it doesn't matter?

You're skewing this more and more as we go along, Ecurt. I don't like it.

I just felt like addressing it since you pointed out, with caps, that you were being prosecuted by me.

Good on ya', then. I was mainly addressing the 'surprised' part, because I wasn't.

I also don't recognize any single part of your post that implies you were enjoying defending yourself; that came after, and you only asked me to respond to that particular post, so I focused on it, just as you focus on certain parts of my post by separating sentences from the rest of the paragraph.

Well, yeah. But I play these games for fun, right? Totally. What'd I do more than anything in these games? Defend. I have to defend myself and my accusation more than ANYTHING, and that's the fun of it. I've said it many times, and I said it later on. I thought it was quite implied.

Since I have decided to say nothing more on this matter, as it can easily degenerate into something that will lead into an argument, I have one simple thing left to do.

Vote: Mesden

And that's that.

Go ahead. So far, all I've seen is you skewing my view with yours and then averting from topic lines. Followed up with some noted difference of play that you have an uncanny ability to find, seeing as you stated how you had it previously in Chat8Bit mafia.

Yes, believe Ecurt and his prophetic ability.

I'd like to ask everyone else: Is there some subtle, but apparently scum inducing difference in how I've be playing?

[Ryanderman]

Are the two of you trying to get this game shut down?

[Mesden]

Originally Posted by Ryanderman

Are the two of you trying to get this game shut down?

No, not at all. I'm pretty sure this is regular debate in the game. As long as nothing gets personal or overtly, well, bitchy, it should be fine.

This is accuse and defend. There's no other way to play besides do nothing/random vote, I guess.

[Truce]

It's also why I decided to stop continuing it because it could easily degenerate into a full blown argument. It's possible that I crossed the line already, though, but if I have SK tell me, because I'll have to withdraw; there's no way I wouldn't cross it again then.

[Demonlink2]

Originally Posted by Mesden

I'd like to ask everyone else: Is there some subtle, but apparently scum inducing difference in how I've be playing?

not really. You always play the same way: looking out for number 1. I, myself, try to play in a similar way: Answer arguments and provide your own as to wether or not one is scum.

[Ryanderman]

Originally Posted by Mesden

No, not at all. I'm pretty sure this is regular debate in the game. As long as nothing gets personal or overtly, well, bitchy, it should be fine.

This is accuse and defend. There's no other way to play besides do nothing/random vote, I guess.

I understand that. It just looked to me like you were going right back to yelling at each other. I apolgize if I misinterpreted your posts.