Dungeons & Dragons 4E or how I learned to stop worrying and love the game. Maybe. - Page 5

Mirai Gen · 05-31-2008, 03:29 AM

WW attack was the same problem behind Great Cleave. By the time you get it, it's useless.

WW attack you could pull off as a human with good stats at a low level, but as mentioned 4e is going to fix that.

Julford Hajime · 05-31-2008, 04:41 AM

First impressions of 4e: No Bards, Barbarians, Bards, Druids, Bards, Monks, Bards? This does not bode well. I mean, Summoner being gone is fine, since we still get another Arcane class if we don't want Wizard (Warlock).

Still, I went ahead and looked at the classes, namely the Warlord class; I fell in love with it about as fast as I fell in love with Bard, which is to say immediatly. The Encounter and Daily abilities require strength, but then you have an At Will ability that has another character in your party make an attack instead of you, meaning that you could theoretically just chill in the back, using your standard action each round to have someone else attack an opponent.

Basically, the Warlord can be played in exactly the manner that was everything I liked about the Bard; Charisma dependant, with just enough strength and con to be useful if he was required for an attack. The abilities certainly steer you towards being more strength-dependant with Charisma being either your secondary or third stat, but by the looks of it, the Warlord can be played as a Charisma-dependant group leader without becoming a drag on the team. A couple skills require a high Charisma modifier to be useful, and high charisma grants good diplomacy, my favorite skill.

[/non-sensical sequitor about warlords]

One thing I REALLY like about 4th is that every level up, you get something new that makes a potentially drastic impact on your character; 2nd level, you get a utility power and a feat. 3rd level, a new Encounter power. 4th, a new feat. 5th, a new Daily power. Each level grants you a noticeable upgrade for your character, instead of just "+1 BAB" or "+1d6 Sneak Attack"

Feats have taken a bit of a beating compared to 3.5 now, though. They aren't nearly as useful as they used to be, though useful, they still are.

Sithdarth · 05-31-2008, 09:00 AM

Remember this is only the first few books. There was already specific mention of monk and some psychic class I can't remember the name of at the moment. Also, I seem to remember a sentence that implied that there was once again going to be more than one PHB.

Mirai Gen · 05-31-2008, 01:37 PM

Damn server error ate my post.

I've always thought bards and druids and barbarians and monks were kind of unusual. Most classes were mage, cleric, rogue, or fighter at their core, but each of them didn't really hold up comparatively. Most of the "best builds" didn't even involve very many levels of them.

It's my guess that they're going to tweak them in a new book set.

Moogle0119 · 05-31-2008, 02:06 PM

Yeah I believe hearing that a year after the 4.0 core books come out they're supposed to release a PHB II (4.0) which would include classes like Barbarian, Bard, Druid, Monk, Sorceror etc...

Meister · 05-31-2008, 02:18 PM

The books actually mention Barbarians, Druids and Monks explicitly as upcoming classes in later volumes of the PHB. They'll have Nature and Ki as power sources, respectively (whereas all currently existing classes have either Divine, Arcane or Martial). Can't recall if that was explicitly in the books, too, but I also recall hearing about Shadow and Psionics as upcoming power sources.

Mirai Gen · 05-31-2008, 02:48 PM

Here's to hoping that they find a Goddamn decent way to merge Shadow Magic, Arcane, Divine, Nature, and especially Psionics together without making a godawful hodgepodge of "magic stuff".

Bells · 06-01-2008, 09:57 AM

you know what? i keep having the feelign that we totally should have an Forum RP based on D&D4 before the book launches

Melfice · 06-01-2008, 10:50 AM

Y'know, I bought the 3.5 Player Handbook a ways back.
I never really played though.

The way this is looking, I'm actually considering looking for a group to play with.
Looks very interesting.

Rokrin · 06-01-2008, 02:34 PM

Is anyone interested in a fillable PDF form of the 4.0 Character sheet? Because I just spent 20-30 minutes making it fillable because I'm printer-lazy and have terribly writing...and I can't be the only one. =p

05-31-2008, 03:29 AM	#41
Mirai Gen We are Geth. Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 14,032	WW attack was the same problem behind Great Cleave. By the time you get it, it's useless. WW attack you could pull off as a human with good stats at a low level, but as mentioned 4e is going to fix that. __________________

05-31-2008, 01:37 PM	#44
Mirai Gen We are Geth. Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 14,032	Damn server error ate my post. I've always thought bards and druids and barbarians and monks were kind of unusual. Most classes were mage, cleric, rogue, or fighter at their core, but each of them didn't really hold up comparatively. Most of the "best builds" didn't even involve very many levels of them. It's my guess that they're going to tweak them in a new book set. __________________

05-31-2008, 02:06 PM	#45
Moogle0119 The REAL Lord of the Dance Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Narshe Caves Posts: 397	Yeah I believe hearing that a year after the 4.0 core books come out they're supposed to release a PHB II (4.0) which would include classes like Barbarian, Bard, Druid, Monk, Sorceror etc... __________________ One day the tides will turn One day the fields will burn One day the seas will churn The fury of our maker's hand What will you do?

05-31-2008, 02:48 PM	#47
Mirai Gen We are Geth. Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 14,032	Here's to hoping that they find a Goddamn decent way to merge Shadow Magic, Arcane, Divine, Nature, and especially Psionics together without making a godawful hodgepodge of "magic stuff". __________________

06-01-2008, 09:57 AM	#48
Bells That's so PC of you Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: In a Server-sided Dimension where time is meaningless Posts: 10,490	you know what? i keep having the feelign that we totally should have an Forum RP based on D&D4 before the book launches __________________ *BELLS STORE : Clothes! You wear* them! Free US Shipping Subscription System? WTF?! Zazzle Black!**

05-31-2008, 04:41 AM	#42
Julford Hajime Monty Mole Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 744	First impressions of 4e: No Bards, Barbarians, Bards, Druids, Bards, Monks, Bards? This does not bode well. I mean, Summoner being gone is fine, since we still get another Arcane class if we don't want Wizard (Warlock). Still, I went ahead and looked at the classes, namely the Warlord class; I fell in love with it about as fast as I fell in love with Bard, which is to say immediatly. The Encounter and Daily abilities require strength, but then you have an At Will ability that has another character in your party make an attack instead of you, meaning that you could theoretically just chill in the back, using your standard action each round to have someone else attack an opponent. Basically, the Warlord can be played in exactly the manner that was everything I liked about the Bard; Charisma dependant, with just enough strength and con to be useful if he was required for an attack. The abilities certainly steer you towards being more strength-dependant with Charisma being either your secondary or third stat, but by the looks of it, the Warlord can be played as a Charisma-dependant group leader without becoming a drag on the team. A couple skills require a high Charisma modifier to be useful, and high charisma grants good diplomacy, my favorite skill. [/non-sensical sequitor about warlords] One thing I REALLY like about 4th is that every level up, you get something new that makes a potentially drastic impact on your character; 2nd level, you get a utility power and a feat. 3rd level, a new Encounter power. 4th, a new feat. 5th, a new Daily power. Each level grants you a noticeable upgrade for your character, instead of just "+1 BAB" or "+1d6 Sneak Attack" Feats have taken a bit of a beating compared to 3.5 now, though. They aren't nearly as useful as they used to be, though useful, they still are.

05-31-2008, 09:00 AM	#43
Sithdarth Friendly Neighborhood Quantum Hobo Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Outside the M-brane look'n in Posts: 5,403	Remember this is only the first few books. There was already specific mention of monk and some psychic class I can't remember the name of at the moment. Also, I seem to remember a sentence that implied that there was once again going to be more than one PHB.

05-31-2008, 02:18 PM	#46
Meister Pure joy Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 10,689	The books actually mention Barbarians, Druids and Monks explicitly as upcoming classes in later volumes of the PHB. They'll have Nature and Ki as power sources, respectively (whereas all currently existing classes have either Divine, Arcane or Martial). Can't recall if that was explicitly in the books, too, but I also recall hearing about Shadow and Psionics as upcoming power sources.

06-01-2008, 02:34 PM	#50
Rokrin Stupidity is an AoE Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 749	Is anyone interested in a fillable PDF form of the 4.0 Character sheet? Because I just spent 20-30 minutes making it fillable because I'm printer-lazy and have terribly writing...and I can't be the only one. =p __________________ Gamertag: T4CT