Undue cruelty to animals. NSFW

katsielyonz · 03-05-2007, 07:17 AM

I'm not a big PETA supporter, please don't think I'm on that extreme of the fence. But after hearing about this, and then watching this, this has gotten to me. I mean really gotten to me. I understand that the U.S. doesn't exactly have the best farming practices either, but I would contend that we at least kill the animals before pulling them apart. I don't understand why they don't kill their animals, it's beyond comprehension to me. Watching this made me so sick to my stomach. I mean, there are so many other things in the world to rage against, or to try and stop and take care of, but unnecessary torture or cruelty in any case seems to me to be aweful.

If someone has a side of this video that I'm not aware of, I'm curious. I'm well aware of how easy it is to slant facts and images in one particular direction. But I haven't heard anyone or anybody say or do something or speak out against this video that would suggest that this is a falsehood or overexaggeration.

And I for one am never buying fur, faux or otherwise.

This video is extremely graphic. EXTREMELY GRAPHIC. If you're feint of heart, or at work this probably isn't safe for you to watch.

Click for graphic video here.

Upon further research it appears that the video PETA is showing is also being shown, and may have come from the Humane Society, the Humane Society are actively investigating the issue and USA TODAY has actually ran news about it. Here's the article for those who can't watch the video.

Faux Fur Article

Lord of Joshelplex · 03-05-2007, 08:48 AM

You know, if PETA is behind it, chances are they searched for the 1 person that did this, and blew it up to look like everyone does.

42PETUNIAS · 03-05-2007, 09:09 AM

The article did say that there was a law being introduced that would make all fur labeled, and would prohibit the sale of fur from domestic dogs and cats, so I don't see too much of a problem here. Because I'm in school right now, I haven't seen the video, but from the article, I'm guessing that everything there violates animal abuse laws (or it should, if proper animal abuse laws aren't around), and the people who do this should be prosecuted by the law.

Tendronai · 03-05-2007, 10:12 AM

PETA isn't that great, either. Here's a site which points out their hypocrisy. Read through it, and then see if what PETA says should actually be heeded.

Lord of Joshelplex · 03-05-2007, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Tendronai

PETA isn't that great, either. Here's a site which points out their hypocrisy. Read through it, and then see if what PETA says should actually be heeded.

Where do you think they get those buckets of blood? It certainly aint from your local supermarket.

katsielyonz · 03-05-2007, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Tendronai

PETA isn't that great, either. Here's a site which points out their hypocrisy. Read through it, and then see if what PETA says should actually be heeded.

Like I said, I'm not a PETA fan. I picked the video up surfing through Digg.com actually. I've been looking into it and like I said the Humane Society is also taking issue with this particular problem. It appears as if this really is a huge and common problem.

As for the sale of fur from domestic animals, that's not the part that bothers me. The part that bothers me is the fact that the animals are skinned alive and are thrown into a pit where they just bleed to death. It's the practice of it that bothers me. While I am thankful that they have introduced a bill that's talked about in the U.S.A. Today article, it still doesn't keep that particular practice from occuring.

Lord of Joshelplex · 03-05-2007, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by katsielyonz

Like I said, I'm not a PETA fan. I picked the video up surfing through Digg.com actually. I've been looking into it and like I said the Humane Society is also taking issue with this particular problem. It appears as if this really is a huge and common problem.

As for the sale of fur from domestic animals, that's not the part that bothers me. The part that bothers me is the fact that the animals are skinned alive and are thrown into a pit where they just bleed to death. It's the practice of it that bothers me. While I am thankful that they have introduced a bill that's talked about in the U.S.A. Today article, it still doesn't keep that particular practice from occuring.

I dont really think it's that widespread, maybe a guy here and there does it, but animal rights activists blow things out of proportion. My cousin David was verbally aussaulted when he wacked his dog on the ass with a newspaper for running after someone in a park, and some guy just went fuckin balistic on him.

katsielyonz · 03-05-2007, 10:46 AM

Still I haven't heard any criticism to the contrary. If you know of any other evidence besides "animal rights activists blow things out of proportion," that'd be great. Because it's just as bad to assume somethings not true as it is to assume it is true just based on who said it alone. Hence both my skepticism and my disgust at the moment. I mean when I first watched the video my immediate thought was it was just like one factory did it and they'd be taken care of. But I've been doing more research and it seems as though, as I've stated before, that this is just a common practice. Even if the U.S. bans imports on cat and dog fur, it's not going to stop them from doing this and selling fur to other countries.

I mean, my family hunts. I'm familiar with skinning. You don't have to keep the animal alive to do it. Even if it turns out that this really is just one company doing this, is it really okay to just over look it since no one else is doing it?

bluestarultor · 03-08-2007, 03:54 PM

I think my brother told me about that vid. Is it a couple of Asian guys? (too squeamish to look) If so, that's what they do sometimes in China. Along with eating living monkeys' brains and cutting fish open to eat about as fresh as it gets--still gasping. The Chinese just don't value animal rights like we do. That dog would probably be labeled as fake fur if that's where it was.

Thylacine · 03-08-2007, 04:58 PM

...I couldn't finish that video. I wish I had stopped before the live skinning was finished.

PETA isn't the greatest organization due to their narrow-minded view and hypocrisy. This video could have been one man, like Joshelplex stated, for all we know. But the video was pretty horrible and actually the only video that I've had trouble watching. I hope this is just one factory. I hope this isn't a standard.

Intially, I would say it is one small case and not every fur factory. I'm think they only showed that one group of people, right? Also, first response in my mind to animal activists is that they generally exaggerate small practices, circumstances, etc. but it should be that way. Just because only one group/person is doing it doesn't make it less worse than it is.

03-05-2007, 07:17 AM	#1
katsielyonz Troopa Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 88	Undue cruelty to animals. NSFW I'm not a big PETA supporter, please don't think I'm on that extreme of the fence. But after hearing about this, and then watching this, this has gotten to me. I mean really gotten to me. I understand that the U.S. doesn't exactly have the best farming practices either, but I would contend that we at least kill the animals before pulling them apart. I don't understand why they don't kill their animals, it's beyond comprehension to me. Watching this made me so sick to my stomach. I mean, there are so many other things in the world to rage against, or to try and stop and take care of, but unnecessary torture or cruelty in any case seems to me to be aweful. If someone has a side of this video that I'm not aware of, I'm curious. I'm well aware of how easy it is to slant facts and images in one particular direction. But I haven't heard anyone or anybody say or do something or speak out against this video that would suggest that this is a falsehood or overexaggeration. And I for one am never buying fur, faux or otherwise. This video is extremely graphic. EXTREMELY GRAPHIC. If you're feint of heart, or at work this probably isn't safe for you to watch. Click for graphic video here. Upon further research it appears that the video PETA is showing is also being shown, and may have come from the Humane Society, the Humane Society are actively investigating the issue and USA TODAY has actually ran news about it. Here's the article for those who can't watch the video. Faux Fur Article Last edited by katsielyonz; 03-05-2007 at 07:59 AM.

03-05-2007, 09:09 AM	#3
42PETUNIAS helloooo! Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: The Court Posts: 2,816	The article did say that there was a law being introduced that would make all fur labeled, and would prohibit the sale of fur from domestic dogs and cats, so I don't see too much of a problem here. Because I'm in school right now, I haven't seen the video, but from the article, I'm guessing that everything there violates animal abuse laws (or it should, if proper animal abuse laws aren't around), and the people who do this should be prosecuted by the law. __________________ noooo! why are you doing that?!

03-05-2007, 08:48 AM	#2
Lord of Joshelplex Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Bird's Hill MB Posts: 4,055	You know, if PETA is behind it, chances are they searched for the 1 person that did this, and blew it up to look like everyone does.

03-05-2007, 10:12 AM	#4
Tendronai I will crush your economy. Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Magical mystical land of Canada. Posts: 1,364	PETA isn't that great, either. Here's a site which points out their hypocrisy. Read through it, and then see if what PETA says should actually be heeded.

03-05-2007, 10:46 AM	#8
katsielyonz Troopa Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 88	Still I haven't heard any criticism to the contrary. If you know of any other evidence besides "animal rights activists blow things out of proportion," that'd be great. Because it's just as bad to assume somethings not true as it is to assume it is true just based on who said it alone. Hence both my skepticism and my disgust at the moment. I mean when I first watched the video my immediate thought was it was just like one factory did it and they'd be taken care of. But I've been doing more research and it seems as though, as I've stated before, that this is just a common practice. Even if the U.S. bans imports on cat and dog fur, it's not going to stop them from doing this and selling fur to other countries. I mean, my family hunts. I'm familiar with skinning. You don't have to keep the animal alive to do it. Even if it turns out that this really is just one company doing this, is it really okay to just over look it since no one else is doing it?

03-08-2007, 04:58 PM	#10
Thylacine Bullet Bill Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minecraft Posts: 268	...I couldn't finish that video. I wish I had stopped before the live skinning was finished. PETA isn't the greatest organization due to their narrow-minded view and hypocrisy. This video could have been one man, like Joshelplex stated, for all we know. But the video was pretty horrible and actually the only video that I've had trouble watching. I hope this is just one factory. I hope this isn't a standard. Intially, I would say it is one small case and not every fur factory. I'm think they only showed that one group of people, right? Also, first response in my mind to animal activists is that they generally exaggerate small practices, circumstances, etc. but it should be that way. Just because only one group/person is doing it doesn't make it less worse than it is.