Lost: Can you lose your virginity to a mindfuck?

[Lumenskir]

Well, after the frankly meh (for me at least) Heroes finale, I get my fix of amazing with my old standby, Lost, which has churned out, for me, the best finale of its three years (which is saying a lot).

SPOILER:

AWESOME:
- A body count that surpassed my wildest expectations. I heard something about 5 people dying, but damn, this probably qualifies as a spree. They even had the balls to kill of Charlie!
- Adult Walt! Or, Young Jacob!(?)
- Charlie finally dies!!
- Flashforwards.
- Locke lives.
- Beach Boys.
- More Zombie Mikhail! And the possibility for a lot of little bits of Zombie Mikhail to reform in the ocean as some sort of Russian Zombie Shark Monster?
- Flashforwards.
- Charlie was actually fun to watch, which was good because maybe I'll remember him for his final performance and not the whiny bitch he was immediately before.
- Penelope, and a new (double?) cross in the works!
- Flashforwards, aka, Lindelof and Cuse kinda just win.
- So much more.

NOT AS AWESOME:
- I have to wait how long again? For only 16 episodes? Why??



I would have listed more, but then what would we talk about?

[Roy_D_Mylote]

I LOVE LOST.

Second. You act like Charlie's death is a good thing. Similarly, you act like Locke's living is a good thing.

And Walt isn't Jacob. The island/monster is.

Plus isn't it great that Hurley saved the day?

[Lumenskir]

I was kinda meh on the Magic Bus when it first showed up, but now it's like Hurley's redemption and I kinda adore it.

To address your second, I really liked Charley, and I will admit that when he was hanging in the first season and looked to be about gone, my heart sank and I had only known the character for a handful of episodes. However, there was a certain point where the writers began to take all of his redeeming qualities and transform him into a whiny hanger on, ever intent on being around Claire and Aaron to the point of obnoxious. This last episode he was reverted to early Charlie, and his death scene was probably one of the best on the show, but I'm not going to pretend that if he lived through this episode he would have been reverse de-ballified. He's no Locke.

And in defense of Locke, killing him off permanently would mean that the writers have abandoned the mysticism of the island. He was on the verge of going whiny, but he's been given a mission and has regained his badassness.

So what are your thoughts on who was in the future coffin? My money's on either Locke or Ben, but was it just me or did the coffin look really small?

[Roy_D_Mylote]

Well, in Jack's car in the first flash forward, the first few lines said that "John" died. So I am betting Locke.

[Nique]

I think Charlie is a really good charecter. And maybe whiney... but, he isn't stupid. I mean, Locke and Jack irriatate me more than Charlie ever did. They never explain their actions or their feelings... I mean yeah some people are "lone wolves" or whatever, but at some point you've got to break down and go a *little* emo becuase you're stuck on a creepy-ass island - Charlie and Hurley are my favorite charecters on this show becuase they keep it real.

Besides, Charlie is like the only one who does anything worthwhile on the island. He quite heroin AND he makes out with the hot chick. Total redemption!

[Lumenskir]

They never explain their actions or feelings? So they're...men?

Everybody has their own way of coping with their situation. Jack assumed the leadership role so he would be forced to ignore his own internal strife, but whenever he gets pushed to the edge he loses his shit all at once (see: Beating Ben so hard his knuckles bled). Locke devotes himself to the island, and I find it interesting to watch someone's faith in a non-entity completely wreck his personal life. Hurley is at his best when he's the island's program coordinator, setting up golf courses and ping pong tables or brining beer and Magic Buses to the masses.

Again, I really liked Charlie, and in Season 1 he was probably the most sympathetic and relateable character on the show (and, how the times change, one of the most badass: He killed Ethan dead!), but around the middle of Season 2, or whenever he started to get pissy with Locke, he just devolved into a whiner, latching on to different objects of distress. "Wahh, why does Claire not love me unconditionally like I love her and the baby that isn't mine!" "Wahh, just because I kidnapped Sun everbody doesn't trust me!" "Wahh, Eko won't let me have as much fun with the church!" "Wahh, Desmond says I'm going to die!"

I'm happy to see that the Charlie I despised is gone.

Also, and I don't even know why I'm bothering to spoil this as there's only 3 Lost watchers in the entire forum, there was a magnified screencap here that says that Jack was looking at a newspaper clipping about a John Lantham. Maybe Locke has been lying about his last name? Somebody new?

[Nique]

They never explain their actions or feelings? So they're...men?

There's being manly, and then there's clamming up like a moron all soap-opera style everytime your mood changes. "Ohh look I'm so dramatic by not saying anything" yes. Brilliant writing. >_<

[Solid Snake]

Oh man, I love Locke. As a matter of fact, I love Locke's character precisely because he doesn't really clam up. The guy's an emotional roller-coaster ride of moments of pure unbridled faith at its best (and its worst.) Seriously, Nique, you say "Locke's clamming up like a moron," but have you watched those flashbacks? Locke may have shady objectives from time to time (that's precisely what makes him a great character in my opinion, he has a bit of mystery to him), but Terry O'Quinn acts phenomenally as him and emotes every scene so deliciously perfectly.

Now granted, Locke as a character doesn't exactly pull up a chair and talk over his feelings with Kate or Jack. That would be girly. But the emotional depth of the pain he felt when strapped to a wheelchair, the scenes where his father betrays him and the scenes where he finds brief, fleeting moments of redemption in the island's purpose for him. Oh man. Again, the emotion is just there in spades.

I also love John because, seriously now, if you're stuck on an island with the likes of Jack and Kate, I think you're better off not being their bestest best friends. The problem with most the Losties is that they're dumb as nails; hell, they'll even follow Jack to their potential demise only a day after they didn't trust him at all because of a shady tape in Sawyer's possession. At least we now know John was, in fact, entirely right about the island; Jack is regretting having left it.