Infraction Bullshit

[Kim]

Reason: Extremely blatant spampost.

Do you guys remember when Meister said he wasn't going to mod anymore? I do. Awwww nostalgia...

I mean yeah we've been massively letting things like that slide lately but that's really something you rely on at your own peril, so to speak.

No, that's your responsibility. You're the mod. You're supposed to establish what will and will not be tolerated, not infract members for doing something they have no reason to think they'll be punished for doing. Regardless of what the rules say, if you fail to enforce them, you can't reasonably expect anyone to know that it's suddenly against the rules now. Don't blame us because you can't mod consistently. If you're going to keep enforcing the rule regularly from this point on, then fine. Okay. But if you think Surprise Infractions is the best way to keep people in line then you are out of your fucking mind.

I can't even remember the last time you guys got on someone's case for a thread going off-topic, and when you guys did, you'd usually do it along the lines of a red text warning saying "Hey get back on topic." "NPF: No Attention Span Whatsoever" is not a warning. It's just Meister being snarky and condescending.

[Fenris]

Originally Posted by NonCon

Do you guys remember when Meister said he wasn't going to mod anymore? I do. Awwww nostalgia...

Hey remember when it was explicitly stated that he was going to continue modding? I do. Awwww nostalgia...

Originally Posted by Noncon

No, that's your responsibility. You're the mod. You're supposed to establish what will and will not be tolerated,

We do establish that. In the rules.

not infract members for doing something they have no reason to think they'll be punished for doing.

Wrong. It is our interpretation of the rules that matters, not yours.

Regardless of what the rules say, if you fail to enforce them, you can't reasonably expect anyone to know that it's suddenly against the rules now.

The rules do not change without an announcement, regardless of enforcement. What is against the rules is consistent. When the list of things against the rules changes, the public is informed.

Don't blame us because you can't mod consistently.

Don't assume that the rules change when they don't?

If you're going to keep enforcing the rule regularly from this point on, then fine. Okay.

That should go without saying. It is our fault that we haven't been completely consistent, but this is like saying to your dad "Well you haven't told me recently that it's not okay to swipe cookies from the cookie jar and I've done it tons of times without you saying anything so why am I getting in trouble now?"

But if you think Surprise Infractions is the best way to keep people in line then you are out of your fucking mind.

It shouldn't come as a surprise.

I can't even remember the last time you guys got on someone's case for a thread going off-topic, and when you guys did, you'd usually do it along the lines of a red text warning saying "Hey get back on topic." "NPF: No Attention Span Whatsoever" is not a warning.

Meister doesn't use a mod color. And if it's not explicit enough of a warning, it is definitely implicit enough of a hint.

It's just Meister being snarky and condescending.

See: Fifthfiend's entire posting history

[Kim]

Originally Posted by FenrisWolf

Meister doesn't use a mod color. And if it's not explicit enough of a warning, it is definitely implicit enough of a hint.

Fuck no it's not. It is no different from his normal, non-modding douchery, except he's just being a snide jerkass to the forums as a whole rather than Ransoomar or whateverthefuck. That's not goddamn modding. This is kind of the reason people have told him multiple times to get a fucking mod color.

See: Fifthfiend's entire posting histor

Well, if Fifth got fired for that, I expect you and Shiney will talk about what a jerk Meister is and then demote him when he isn't looking?

Hey remember when it was explicitly stated that he was going to continue modding? I do. Awwww nostalgia...

No. No, I don't. In fact, I'm kinda curious as to why he went back.

[Nightshine]

QQ more like you did with your 3 page essay about Duane and BrandO, faggot.

[Fenris]

Originally Posted by NonCon

Fuck no it's not. It is no different from his normal, non-modding douchery, except he's just being a snide jerkass to the forums as a whole rather than Ransoomar or whateverthefuck. That's not goddamn modding. This is kind of the reason people have told him multiple times to get a fucking mod color.

Hey while you're talking about that part of my post why don't you take a look at the rest of it too.


Mod colors are not necessary. I only use one to make it blatantly and bluntly clear that the message is sent. Furthermore, you all should fucking know better than to blatantly spam like that. This isn't an issue of you not breaking the rules and getting called out on it, this is an issue of you thinking that you can break the rules and not get called out on it, which is not the case. Fifthfiend is acting, well, like a total douche lately and you all are following his lead because he's OMGFIFTHFIEND.

Originally Posted by Nightshine

QQ more like you did with your 3 page essay about Duane and BrandO, faggot.

Get the fuck out.

[DFM]

Originally Posted by Nightshine

QQ more like you did with your 3 page essay about Duane and BrandO, faggot.

Oh my

[Kim]

Originally Posted by Nightshine

QQ more like you did with your 3 page essay about Duane and BrandO, faggot.

Man, I'm glad Meister kept Nightshine around. He's certainly a fantastic member of the forums.

Originally Posted by FenrisWolf

This isn't an issue of you not breaking the rules and getting called out on it, this is an issue of you thinking that you can break the rules and not get called out on it, which is not the case.

This is an issue of thinking "Hey, the mods don't enforce a rule. It probably isn't a big deal. If it was a big deal, they'd fucking enforce it." And Fifthfiend has nothing to do with it on my end. If someone else had made the same post Fifthfiend had, I would have made the exact same post, and would have been just as ticked at getting infracted for a rule that wasn't treated like a rule by even the mods before now.

[Osterbaum]

Originally Posted by Fenris

Fifthfiend is acting, well, like a total douche lately and you all are following his lead because he's OMGFIFTHFIEND.

I take some offense to this. If I decide to act like a douche, I do it on my own and for my own reasons.

[Meister]

Get with the times, I've been 100% modding for months, I'll continue to do it until either I or Brian/the other mods wouldn't like me to anymore, and frankly there's nothing you or Fifth or whoever else can do about it no matter how many times you point out the discrepancy.

Yes, I did feel bad about going back to it after explicitly saying I wouldn't, but no I don't anymore, see above.

re: your points, I think it's actually very reasonable to expect you can be warned for something that's explicitly stated to be something people get warned for. There's really not much more I can say about this incredibly obvious fact. The rules thread says we warn people for doing a thing. Then people do a thing and get warned, and that's met with surprise?

It does seem we need to start handing out infractions more regularly so everyone realizes a 1-point infraction is basically nothing more than saying "no seriously, don't do that" and not the 15-to-life sentence you'd think it was from all the bitching every time we give one out.

e: I do actually use a mod colour these days except for when it's really incredibly obvious I'm moderating such as when I close threads and quote rules at people.

also, hoshit, quick moving thread.

[Fifthfiend]

Yeah no I totally shouldn't have been surprised at getting warned for making a silly joke of a too-serious thread like I've been doing for literally the entire time I've been a member of this forum including pre-admin / pre-mod and nobody has given a shit about ever.

PS Fenris remember when Brian accused you of being a crowd-following douche and I went to bat for you on it and told him that was messed up? Man, real glad I did that, keep the personal insults and incredibly wrong comparisons comin'.