"Doctor Who" or "Fallacies Therof" [POTENTIAL RISK OF SPOILERS WITHIN]

Seil · 08-26-2011, 01:44 AM

First off, drunk, whoo. Second off, I'm not sure I know what 'fallacies' means.

C) Doctor Who. Double whoo. Now most people know that I don't fancy that new guy, what with the silly hair and young face. Tennant is where it (was) at. Not that I've seen the new stuff. (NonContradictory link that post.) But there was a blip. A... a 'thing' that none of us twigged to. "Fathers Day."

Now, we could talk - and I probably will, when I'm drunk I tend to ramble (I talk too much anyway) - about the Doctor's Revival Companions: Martha, Jack, Mickey or Donna. We could talk about how Martha went to UNIT or Jack and that Torchwood spin off that I never watched because the box sets are expensive, or Mickey and his... Mickey. Yeah. But first of all there was Rose Tyler.

The story. (I like it when threads start with a little story. Story time) I was a young lad - really young, this was 1996 so I'd be... young. (14?) But There was a movie on the telly about this dude named Doctor Who or something. Was 'Who' his surname? I didn't know. Anyway, I was young, and the FOX/BBC Doctor Who movie came on in 1996. ...I wasn't all that interested. I mean, my babysitter (who upon reflection must not have been a very good babysitter) let my older two brothers and I watch Sliders or Screamers or whatever it was called (which probably began my fixation on Horror, if IT didn't do it first.) Doctor Who wasn't on me list. But a year or two ago, I had a nameless friend (that means I cannae remember his name) posting "Who" clips on the Facebook. So I looked into it, threw down my $100, and bought a box set. The first being Christopher Eccleston's first season. (I like to start at the beginning, even though the series... 60 odd years... fire at the warehouse destroying original copies... etc, etc.)

Anyway, after all that talk (print? type? text?) Here's my point: Who... or The Doctor or whatever totally broke the rules. He can't become part of events. But in "Father's Day" - that's the one what with Billie Piper and.... sorry, I got distracted there.... and the Doctor becoming part of events and still travelling. He travels to the same point twice, and sees himself and gets eaten! What's that about!?

Shyria Dracnoir · 08-26-2011, 02:09 AM

Seil · 08-26-2011, 02:51 AM

Quote:

The Doctor: I'm right! This'll work! Shut up! Now listen, you and Lux, work back up to the main library, prime any data cells you can find for maximum download. And before you say anything else Professor, can I just mention in passing as you're here - shut up!

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BloodyMage · 08-26-2011, 06:47 AM

I like the 11th Doctor.

As for the paradox, The Doctor has said that there are fixed spots in time that must remain intact and other than that you can generally get away with whatever you like. And a great deal of alien species do.

At any rate, it was corrected by the father dying, and no-one but Rose and the Doctor remember anything. Rose insists that she was the one talking to her father when he died, but her mother refuses to believe her, and doesn't remember any flying creatures eating anyone.

The episode 'The Waters of Mars' delve into it a little further. Before the time war, this kind of thing probably wouldn't be possible, but with only one time lord left to correct all of history, he can pretty much get up to what he likes, so long as he doesn't meet his current regeneration, cause flying Reapers to come into being and eat him.

Interestingly (or maybe not), the new series continues on Saturday. I know it's on BBC1 in the UK, and it should air around the same time in America, but I don't know at what time.

Professor Smarmiarty · 08-26-2011, 06:53 AM

If you're looking for a deep, consistent exploration of timetravel in Doctor Who you are doing it wrong.

On Saturday we have "Let's kill Hitler". This was discussed on the chat with multiple possibilites as to why/how Doctor will kill Hitler, I'm sticking with Hitler is the 13th Doctor.

The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk · 08-26-2011, 07:01 AM

I don't think it's the Doctor who is trying to kill Hitler. There is an alien bounty hunter there to kill Hitler for apparantly being the biggest douche in the universe or something. And then it turns out the Doctor and River are also on the list.

Also, spoilers.

Professor Smarmiarty · 08-26-2011, 07:05 AM

But he is the 13th Doctor and also the master! He must be stopped.

Clearly not a bounty hunter. The term "Let's kill Hitler" implies that its something you decide to do on a whim/for various reasons and not something that you are doing because you are ordered/paid to do.

BloodyMage · 08-26-2011, 07:23 AM

In the Doctor's case it's generally 'there's a big plot point coming up that I don't want to do yet, so let's do something whimsical and light hearted until someone dies or lures me into a situation where I am forced to deal with it.'

Biggest spoiler being that Hitler will in fact not be killed. Oh, twist.

Professor Smarmiarty · 08-26-2011, 07:32 AM

We've heard that a main character will die permantenly. They will retroactively add Hitler into all past episodes as slapstick comic relief companion and then kill him off in this episode.

BloodyMage · 08-26-2011, 07:42 AM

And then he will regenerate into Nixon.

Nixon asking The Doctor how he was as president wasn't just a throw away line you know!

08-26-2011, 01:44 AM	#1
Seil Super stressed! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: British Columbia Posts: 8,081	"Doctor Who" or "Fallacies Therof" [POTENTIAL RISK OF SPOILERS WITHIN] First off, drunk, whoo. Second off, I'm not sure I know what 'fallacies' means. C) Doctor Who. Double whoo. Now most people know that I don't fancy that new guy, what with the silly hair and young face. Tennant is where it (was) at. Not that I've seen the new stuff. (NonContradictory link that post.) But there was a blip. A... a 'thing' that none of us twigged to. "Fathers Day." Now, we could talk - and I probably will, when I'm drunk I tend to ramble (I talk too much anyway) - about the Doctor's Revival Companions: Martha, Jack, Mickey or Donna. We could talk about how Martha went to UNIT or Jack and that Torchwood spin off that I never watched because the box sets are expensive, or Mickey and his... Mickey. Yeah. But first of all there was Rose Tyler. The story. (I like it when threads start with a little story. Story time) I was a young lad - really young, this was 1996 so I'd be... young. (14?) But There was a movie on the telly about this dude named Doctor Who or something. Was 'Who' his surname? I didn't know. Anyway, I was young, and the FOX/BBC Doctor Who movie came on in 1996. ...I wasn't all that interested. I mean, my babysitter (who upon reflection must not have been a very good babysitter) let my older two brothers and I watch Sliders or Screamers or whatever it was called (which probably began my fixation on Horror, if IT didn't do it first.) Doctor Who wasn't on me list. But a year or two ago, I had a nameless friend (that means I cannae remember his name) posting "Who" clips on the Facebook. So I looked into it, threw down my $100, and bought a box set. The first being Christopher Eccleston's first season. (I like to start at the beginning, even though the series... 60 odd years... fire at the warehouse destroying original copies... etc, etc.) Anyway, after all that talk (print? type? text?) Here's my point: Who... or The Doctor or whatever totally broke the rules. He can't become part of events. But in "Father's Day" - that's the one what with Billie Piper and.... sorry, I got distracted there.... and the Doctor becoming part of events and still travelling. He travels to the same point twice, and sees himself and gets eaten! What's that about!? Last edited by Seil; 08-26-2011 at 01:50 AM.

08-26-2011, 02:09 AM	#2
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08-26-2011, 06:47 AM	#4
BloodyMage I'm not even in the highscore. Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 667	I like the 11th Doctor. As for the paradox, The Doctor has said that there are fixed spots in time that must remain intact and other than that you can generally get away with whatever you like. And a great deal of alien species do. At any rate, it was corrected by the father dying, and no-one but Rose and the Doctor remember anything. Rose insists that she was the one talking to her father when he died, but her mother refuses to believe her, and doesn't remember any flying creatures eating anyone. The episode 'The Waters of Mars' delve into it a little further. Before the time war, this kind of thing probably wouldn't be possible, but with only one time lord left to correct all of history, he can pretty much get up to what he likes, so long as he doesn't meet his current regeneration, cause flying Reapers to come into being and eat him. Interestingly (or maybe not), the new series continues on Saturday. I know it's on BBC1 in the UK, and it should air around the same time in America, but I don't know at what time. __________________ Read my blog: http://preposterousprose.wordpress.com/ A Visual Novel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMPXrfdZ-vo&feature=plcp Buy my book http://www.amazon.co.uk/I-Plagiarize...dp/1629890081/

08-26-2011, 07:23 AM	#8
BloodyMage I'm not even in the highscore. Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 667	In the Doctor's case it's generally 'there's a big plot point coming up that I don't want to do yet, so let's do something whimsical and light hearted until someone dies or lures me into a situation where I am forced to deal with it.' Biggest spoiler being that Hitler will in fact not be killed. Oh, twist. __________________ Read my blog: http://preposterousprose.wordpress.com/ A Visual Novel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMPXrfdZ-vo&feature=plcp Buy my book http://www.amazon.co.uk/I-Plagiarize...dp/1629890081/

08-26-2011, 07:42 AM	#10
BloodyMage I'm not even in the highscore. Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 667	And then he will regenerate into Nixon. Nixon asking The Doctor how he was as president wasn't just a throw away line you know! __________________ Read my blog: http://preposterousprose.wordpress.com/ A Visual Novel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMPXrfdZ-vo&feature=plcp Buy my book http://www.amazon.co.uk/I-Plagiarize...dp/1629890081/

08-26-2011, 06:53 AM	#5
Professor Smarmiarty Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: K-space Posts: 9,758	If you're looking for a deep, consistent exploration of timetravel in Doctor Who you are doing it wrong. On Saturday we have "Let's kill Hitler". This was discussed on the chat with multiple possibilites as to why/how Doctor will kill Hitler, I'm sticking with Hitler is the 13th Doctor.

08-26-2011, 07:05 AM	#7
Professor Smarmiarty Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: K-space Posts: 9,758	But he is the 13th Doctor and also the master! He must be stopped. Clearly not a bounty hunter. The term "Let's kill Hitler" implies that its something you decide to do on a whim/for various reasons and not something that you are doing because you are ordered/paid to do.

08-26-2011, 07:32 AM	#9
Professor Smarmiarty Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: K-space Posts: 9,758	We've heard that a main character will die permantenly. They will retroactively add Hitler into all past episodes as slapstick comic relief companion and then kill him off in this episode.